Hawise fitz Geoffrey

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• Alternate death: Bef 8 Aug 1247

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Also called Hawise Fitz Piers. Not a daughter of William Fleming of Ottery; this appears to be a case where the latter-day revisionist speculation was proved wrong by the discovery of further records that re-established the original model of her parentage.

Hawise married Reynold II de Mohun after 8 Nov 1227. Reynold (son of Reynold I de Mohun and Alice de Briwere) was born about 1206 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died on 20 Jan 1258 in Torre Mohun, Devon, England; was buried in Newenham Abbey, Devon, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Alice de Mohun was born in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died after 1265.
2. Lucy de Mohun died after 1280.
3. John de Mohun died in 1254 in Gascony, France; was buried in Bruton Priory, Somerset, England.

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Earl of Essex. Chief Justiciar of England from 1198 to his death.

Chief Forester; Sheriff of Northamptonshire 1184-89, 1191-94; Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire 1190-93; Constable of Hertford Castle; Sheriff of Staffordshire 1198; Sheriff of Yorkshire 1198-1200, 1202-4; Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire 1199-1204; Sheriff of Westmorland 1199-1200; Sheriff of Hampshire 1201-4; Sheriff of Shropshire 1201-4.

He was raised in the remarkable household of his uncle, the justiciar of England Ranulph de Glanville, along with, among others, the future king John, and the Walter brothers, nephews of Glanville's wife Bertha de Valognes. Theobald Walter would become chief butler of England and Ireland and the founder of enduring lordships in Munster and Leinster. Hubert Walter would become archbishop of Canterbury, Geoffrey's predecessor as justiciar of England, and then -- after Geoffrey succeeded him as justiciar -- Chancellor of England.

Geoffrey married Aveline de Clare before 29 May 1205. Aveline (daughter of Roger de Clare and Maud de St. Hilary) was born about 1172; died before 4 Jun 1225. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Between 22 Nov 1220 and 4 Jun 1225
• Alternate death: Bef 1225

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• Alternate death: Bef 1198

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Also called Piers de Lutegareshale.

Died as a lay monk at Winchester.

Peter married Maud. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Ancestral Roots calls her "Maud de Mandeville", and Complete Peerage's foldout chart of the earls of Essex (volume 5, between pages 116 and 117) places her in a way that can be, but shouldn't be, read as suggesting that she was a daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex, d. 1144.

Todd A. Farmerie, 11 Jun 2002, soc.genealogy.medieval:

This is the case I had in mind the other day, of a connection almost certainly wrong, probably drawn from other secondary sources assumed to be reliable, while these in turn were derived from the chart of the Earls of Essex in CP. In this chart, Maud is placed under a horizontal line connecting Geoffrey's children, but is not connected to that line. This placement was certainly done solely for the purposes of graphical arrangement, and was never intended to display relationship. However, as far as I know, no one has ever published this "correction".

What has been published are studies of Geoffrey Fitz Piers, son of "Peter de Ludgershall" and "Matilda". These follow in detail the manipulations that Henry II took to ensure that the Mandeville birthright, represented by Beatrice de Say, grand-niece of Geoffrey, Earl of Essex, came to his favorite. This man, Geoffrey Fitz Piers, was specifically said by a contemporary chronicler to be of insubstantial origins. Now if Geoffrey Fitz Piers was maternal grandson of Earl Geoffrey, and nephew of the recently deceased Earl William de Mandeville, then he would neither have been of lowly origins, nor would Henry have had to manipulate the status of the Say heiress in order to justify Geoffrey coming into the Mandeville inheritance -- he would have been the legal heir. Simply put, this connection is wrong on so many levels, that it would require a higher burden of proof than for a connection that does not have so many strikes against it.

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• Alternate birth: Aft 1115, of Clare, Herefordshire, England

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Also called Roger Fitz Richard. 2nd Earl of Hertford, but generally styled Earl of Clare.

Roger married Maud de St. Hilary. Maud (daughter of James de St. Hilary du Harcourt and Aveline) was born in of Field Dalling, Norfolk, England; died on 24 Dec 1193; was buried in Priory of Great Carbrooke, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: 1195

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Also called Maud de St. Hilaire du Harcouet.

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Also called Richard de Clare; Richard of Ceredigion.

"Surprised and slain by the Welsh." [Royal Ancestry]

Richard married Alice of Chester. Alice (daughter of Ranulf le Meschin and Lucy of Bolingbroke) died after 1148. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also called Adeliza la Meschin. "[Richard fitz Gilbert's] wife was rescued from the Welsh by Miles of Gloucester." [Complete Peerage]

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• Alternate death: Bef 1154

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Also called James de St. James. Holder of both English and Breton lands.

James married Aveline. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]