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Sibyl of Boulogne

Female - Abt 1208


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Sibyl of Boulogne (daughter of Faramus of Boulogne and Maud); died about 1208.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1219

    Notes:

    Also called Sibyl de Tingry.

    Sibyl married Enguerrand de Fiennes before 1171. Enguerrand (son of Eustache de Fiennes) was born in of Fiennes, Pas de Calais, France; died in 1189 in Acre, Palestine. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Guillaume de Fiennes died before Jul 1240.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Faramus of Boulogne was born about 1105 in of Tingry, Pas de Calais, France (son of William of Boulogne); died between 1183 and 1184.

    Notes:

    Also called Faramus of Tingry.

    Faramus married Maud. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Maud

    Notes:

    Richardson calls her "allegedly a member of the Saint Omer family."

    Children:
    1. 1. Sibyl of Boulogne died about 1208.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  William of Boulogne was born about 1085 in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England (son of Geoffrey of Carshalton and Beatrice de Mandeville); died before 1130.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Abt 1159

    Children:
    1. Rohese de Boulogne was born in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before 30 May 1151; was buried in Holy Trinity Church, London, England.
    2. 2. Faramus of Boulogne was born about 1105 in of Tingry, Pas de Calais, France; died between 1183 and 1184.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Geoffrey of Carshalton was born about 1045 (son of Eustache II of Boulogne and (Unknown mistress of Eustache II of Boulogne)); died after 1086.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1105

    Notes:

    Also called Geoffrey of Boulogne, and his descendants called themselves "of Boulogne". Although Kim Anderson's and Richard Joscelyne's "The Parentage of Geoffrey fitz Eustace (c. 1045-1105)" (Foundations 10:98, 2018) makes a plausible case that he was a legitimate son of Eustache II by his first wife, Godgifu, the consensus appears to remain that he was a son of Eustache by an undocumented mistress. Notably, Eustache II gave his own name to his first son by his second wife, Ida of Verdun, who was definitely younger than this Geoffrey.

    Peter Stewart notes (SGM, 9 Feb 2023) that "Geoffrey of Carshalton named his son William (despite the child's maternal grandfather being also a Geoffrey), and William's son & heir was named Faramus. This pattern of extraneous names does not suggest nostalgia for a denied paternal heritage."

    Was Godfrey the crusader the same Geoffrey that married Beatrice de Mandeville? This claim pops up in many places; people doing personal genealogical research are most likely to encounter it in David H. Kelley's essay in Ancestral Roots, eighth edition (line 158A). The short answer: No.

    Both were sons of Eustace II, albeit by different mothers. The claim that they were a single person doesn't hold up. Todd A. Farmerie: "Murray's analysis takes the sole argument in favor of this connection, that the names Geoffrey and Godfrey were, at the time, synonymous, and shows it to be false. This leaves us with two men with the same father but different names, ending up in different places and conflicting family histories -- one with documented children, the other remembered as unmarried and childless -- without the slightest reason to suggest that they were anything but siblings other than personal preference." Additionally, Boulogne and Bouillon are completely different places. Godfrey/Geoffrey's Boulogne is the one on the north coast of France, now called Boulogne-sur-Mer. The region surrounding it, Boulonnais, became an earldom in the ninth century and was later brought to the crown of England by Maud of Boulogne's marriage to Stephen of Blois.

    Geoffrey married Beatrice de Mandeville before 1084. Beatrice (daughter of Geoffrey I de Mandeville and Adeliza de Balts) was born in of Rycote, Oxfordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Beatrice de Mandeville was born in of Rycote, Oxfordshire, England (daughter of Geoffrey I de Mandeville and Adeliza de Balts).
    Children:
    1. 4. William of Boulogne was born about 1085 in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before 1130.


Generation: 5

  1. 16.  Eustache II of Boulogne (son of Eustace I and Mathilde of Louvain); died about 1080.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1089
    • Alternate death: 1093

    Notes:

    Count of Boulogne. Also known as Eustace aux Gernons (Eustace with the mustaches).

    Fought at Hastings. Wikipedia: "In the following year, probably because he was dissatisfied with his share of the spoil, he assisted the Kentishmen in an attempt to seize Dover Castle. The conspiracy failed, and Eustace was sentenced to forfeit his English fiefs. Subsequently he was reconciled to the Conqueror, who restored a portion of the confiscated lands."

    Peter Stewart notes that the Worcester (D) version of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles mentions Eustache II visiting England in 1051, and refers to him as having in the past been married to the sister of Edward the Confessor, i.e., his first wife Godgifu. He also argues that the year 1057 widely given for Eustache's marriage to Ida is "specious":
    This comes from a forced interpretation by Jacques Malbrancq in the 17th century of an inscription in verse that had disappeared before his time from the collegiate church of Notre-Dame at Lens, stating that canons had been established there "Anno milleno ter deno bis minus uno". The plain interpretation of this is the year 1000+(3x10)-(1x2) = 1028, but Malbrancq took it to mean 1000+((3x10)x2)-1 = 1059. He thought that Ida had instituted the canons two years after marrying Eustace, but he overlooked their charter dated 1070 stating that this had been done by their predecessors, i.e. by his father Eustace I and his mother Mathilde of Louvain.

    Eustache married (Unknown mistress of Eustache II of Boulogne). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 17.  (Unknown mistress of Eustache II of Boulogne)
    Children:
    1. 8. Geoffrey of Carshalton was born about 1045; died after 1086.

  3. 18.  Geoffrey I de Mandeville was born in of Manneville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France; died after 1086; was buried in Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Abt 1100

    Geoffrey married Adeliza de Balts. Adeliza died before 1100; was buried in Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 19.  Adeliza de Balts died before 1100; was buried in Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England.

    Notes:

    Also called Athelaise.

    Children:
    1. William I de Mandeville was born in of Great Waltham, Essex, England; died before May 1116.
    2. 9. Beatrice de Mandeville was born in of Rycote, Oxfordshire, England.


Generation: 6

  1. 32.  Eustace I was born about 995 (son of Baldwin and Adelvie de Gant); died about 1049.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1047

    Notes:

    Count of Boulogne.

    He and his wife Mathilde of Louvain were fifth cousins through common descent from Aelfred "the Great" (848-899), king of Wessex, and fifth cousins once removed through common descent from Charles the Bald (823-877), Holy Roman Emperor, grandson of Charlemagne.

    Eustace married Mathilde of Louvain. Mathilde (daughter of Lambert I "The Bearded" and Gerberga of Lorraine) was born about 993. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 33.  Mathilde of Louvain was born about 993 (daughter of Lambert I "The Bearded" and Gerberga of Lorraine).

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1004, Louvain, Brabant, Belgium

    Notes:

    Also called Mahaut de Louvain; Maud de Leuven; Mathilda of Lens.

    She and her husband Eustace I of Boulogne were fifth cousins through common descent from Aelfred "the Great" (848-899), king of Wessex, and fifth cousins once removed through common descent from Charles the Bald (823-877), Holy Roman Emperor, grandson of Charlemagne.

    Children:
    1. 16. Eustache II of Boulogne died about 1080.
    2. Lambert II of Boulogne died in 1054 in Phalempin, Nord, France.
    3. Gerberge de Boulogne died after 1059.