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Peter de Montfort

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Peter de Montfort was born in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England (son of John de Montfort and Alice de la Plaunche); died between 11 Dec 1367 and 24 Jan 1370.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1370

    Family/Spouse: Lora de Ullenhall. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. John de Montfort was born in of Coleshill, Warwickshire, England; died after 25 May 1361.
    2. Richard de Montfort was born in of Lapworth, Warwickshire, England; died between 23 Sep 1375 and 1386.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  John de Montfort was born about 1265 in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England (son of Peter de Montfort and Maud de la Mare); died before 11 May 1296.

    Notes:

    Summoned to Parliament by writ dated 24 Jun 1295.

    John married Alice de la Plaunche before 28 Mar 1287. Alice (daughter of William de la Plaunche and Ælide) died after 1302. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Alice de la Plaunche (daughter of William de la Plaunche and Ælide); died after 1302.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1303
    • Alternate death: Aft 1308
    • Alternate death: Aft 1309

    Notes:

    From Chris Phillips, Some Corrections and Additions to The Complete Peerage:

    Alice was a kinswoman of Queen Eleanor, presumably through a descent of her father from the queen's Fiennes cousins [J. C. Parsons, The Court and Household of Eleanor of Castile in 1290 (Toronto, 1977), pp. 48-50]. John and Alice were married by 28 March 1287 [ibid., p. 50, citing P.R.O. SC 1/45/46], and Alice was still living in Easter Term 1309 [M. S. Arnold, ed., Select Cases of Trespass from the King's Court, 1307-1399, vol. 1 (Selden Society 100, 1985), pp. 126, 127].

    Alice is one of a group of four "damsels" of the chamber who appear frequently throughout Queen Eleanor's wardrobe account book for 1289-90 and in one entry are described as kinswomen of the queen. That Alice's kinship came through her father is indicated by a reference in 1286 to the lord (dominus) de la Plaunche as a kinsman of the queen [Parsons, loc. cit., p. 50, citing P.R.O. E 101/352/4, m. 4]. A descent from the queen's Fiennes cousins is suggested by the later presence of a family known as "de Fiennes de la Plaunche" in the Boulonnais, bearing arms similar to those of the Fiennes family.

    Children:
    1. 1. Peter de Montfort was born in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England; died between 11 Dec 1367 and 24 Jan 1370.
    2. Elizabeth de Montfort was born before 1297; died after 1367.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Peter de Montfort was born about 1240 in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England (son of Peter de Montfort and Alice de Audley); died before 4 Mar 1286.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 4 Mar 1287

    Notes:

    "He was wounded and captured at the battle of Evesham 4 Aug 1265. He was pardoned for all trespasses 28 Jun 1277, and recovered part of his father's lands." [Royal Ancestry]

    "Peter de Montfort participated in his father's treasons and was taken prisoner at the battle of Evesham, but being allowed the benefit of the Dictum of Kenilworth, he was restored to his paternal inheritance -- and afterwards enjoyed the favour of King Edward I, in whose Welsh wars he took a very active part." [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, 1883]

    Peter married Maud de la Mare about 1260. Maud (daughter of Henry de la Mare and Joan de Neville) was born about 1242. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Maud de la Mare was born about 1242 (daughter of Henry de la Mare and Joan de Neville).
    Children:
    1. Elizabeth de Montfort was born in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England; died on 16 Aug 1354; was buried in Priory of St. Frideswide (now Christ Church), Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.
    2. 2. John de Montfort was born about 1265 in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England; died before 11 May 1296.

  3. 6.  William de la Plaunche was born in of Heuchin, Pas-de-Calais, France.

    William married Ælide. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Ælide
    Children:
    1. 3. Alice de la Plaunche died after 1302.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Peter de Montfort was born about 1205 (son of Thurstan de Montfort and (Unknown) de Cantelowe); died on 4 Aug 1265 in Evesham, Worcestershire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: Aft 1209
    • Alternate birth: Aft Oct 1210, of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England

    Notes:

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

    A leading supporter of Simon de Montfort, earl of Leicester (but no relation), [Peter de] Montfort was technically not a baron, for he held little directly from the king. He was, however, a substantial magnate. His chief seat was at Beaudesert, a low hill above Henley in Arden in Warwickshire, where extensive earthworks of the family castle still remain. Another important base was at Preston in Rutland.

    In 1166 Montfort's great-grandfather, another Thurstin de Montfort, had held ten fees from the earl of Warwick, which made him the second greatest of his tenants. The connection with the earls of Warwick, however, played no discernible part in Peter's career, partly because the earldom was held from 1242 until 1263, in right of his wife, by a Poitevin favourite of the king, John de Plessis, who established few local roots. Much more important for Montfort was the family of his grandfather William (I) de Cantilupe (d. 1239), whose principal residence was at Aston Cantlow, only 4 miles from Beaudesert. His father died in 1216 and Montfort spent many years as Cantilupe's ward, developing what was to be a lifelong friendship with his son Walter de Cantilupe, bishop of Worcester from 1238 to 1266. The fleurs-de-lis of the Cantilupe coat of arms were incorporated into Montfort's seal.

    It was probably ties of neighbourhood that drew both Montfort and Walter de Cantilupe into the circle of Simon de Montfort, for Beaudesert and Aston Cantlow are respectively 9 and 12 miles distant from Kenilworth, after 1244 Earl Simon's great base in England. In 1248 Montfort was in Earl Simon's retinue when the latter went out to Gascony as seneschal and thereafter there are numerous instances of the close connection between the two men. Peter de Montfort attested many of the earl's charters and was probably often in his company; in 1259 he was named as an executor of Simon de Montfort's will. His faithful service was rewarded with a grant of the manor of Ilmington in Warwickshire. Part of that service was doubtless to help Earl Simon build up his following of midlands knights, for Montfort was well connected locally -- in 1260-62 six knights of Warwickshire and Leicestershire acted as his pledges.

    From 1254 onwards, while Montfort remained close to Earl Simon, his career developed independently. He was employed by Henry III on diplomatic missions, was given an important command in the Welsh marches, and by 1257 was on the royal council. He was also closely connected with Edward, the king's son, whom he had accompanied to Spain for his marriage to Eleanor of Castile in 1254. Fear of being ousted from Edward's entourage by the king's Poitevin half-brothers perhaps gave him a personal interest in the political upheaval of 1258, which began with the half-brothers' expulsion from England. In that upheaval Peter de Montfort played a leading part. He was one of the seven magnates whose confederation in April 1258 began the revolution; he was one of the baronial twelve who were to draw up the plans of reform; and he was one of the council of fifteen set up by the provisions of Oxford to govern England in the king's name. In all these capacities Earl Simon was a colleague. However, unlike the earl (who withdrew to France), Peter de Montfort accepted the king's recovery of power in 1261, and in the following year served the king and Edward as custodian of Abergavenny, which he tried in vain to protect from the attacks of Llywelyn ap Gruffudd. None the less, when Earl Simon returned to England in April 1263 and raised once more the standard of the provisions of Oxford, Peter de Montfort joined him. This time he was to remain with him to the end. When the civil war commenced in March 1264, he was in command of the Montfortians in Northampton and was captured when the town fell to the king on 5 April. Released after Earl Simon's great victory at Lewes (14 May), Peter de Montfort was one of the council of nine imposed on the king (June 1264) and thenceforth played a major part in the direction of central government. In September he was one of those appointed to negotiate with the king of France and the papal legate in the abortive hope of finding some political settlement. His rewards during this period of power included a grant from the king of the manor of Garthorpe in Leicestershire. Montfort accompanied Earl Simon throughout his final campaign and died with him at the battle of Evesham on 4 August 1265. [...]

    The support Peter de Montfort gave Earl Simon was of the first importance. While a close personal friend and follower, he also enjoyed his own power base in the midlands and an independent career in the service of the king and his son Edward. He possessed considerable abilities as a soldier, diplomat, and councillor. It is highly significant that Earl Simon retained the loyalty of such a man to the last.

    Peter married Alice de Audley before 1229. Alice (daughter of Henry of Aldithley and Bertrade de Mainwaring) died after Aug 1265. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Alice de Audley (daughter of Henry of Aldithley and Bertrade de Mainwaring); died after Aug 1265.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 23 Feb 1267

    Notes:

    "He [Piers de Montfort] married, in or before 1228, Alice, daughter of Henry de Audley. He died as stated above, 4 August 1265. Alice survived him." [Complete Peerage IX:123-6]

    Children:
    1. 4. Peter de Montfort was born about 1240 in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England; died before 4 Mar 1286.

  3. 10.  Henry de la Mare was born about 1208 in of Ashtead, Epsom, Surrey, England (son of William de la Mare and Basile); died in 1257.

    Notes:

    Royal Justice; Seneschal of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury; Constable of Strogursey Castle.

    Henry married Joan de Neville. Joan (daughter of John de Neville and Hawise de Courtenay) died before 1280. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Joan de Neville (daughter of John de Neville and Hawise de Courtenay); died before 1280.
    Children:
    1. 5. Maud de la Mare was born about 1242.


Generation: 5

  1. 16.  Thurstan de Montfort was born before 1179 in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England (son of Henry de Montfort); died before 9 Jul 1216.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1184, of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 23 Jul 1216
    • Alternate death: Bef 21 Nov 1216
    • Alternate death: Bef 24 Nov 1216

    Notes:

    "Thurstan de Montfort, son and heir, was a minor when he succeeded his father in or before 1199. In 1205 the King took his homage and gave him his land on condition that he demised it for two years to William de Cauntelo. In the summer of 1206 he was abroad in the King's service. In 1210 he was serving the King in Ireland; and in 1214 he was excused the scutage of Poitou, because he fought himself. He appears to have joined in the rebellion against John, and in March 1215/6 had letters of safe conduct on coming to the King." [Complete Peerage]

    Thurstan married (Unknown) de Cantelowe. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 17.  (Unknown) de Cantelowe (daughter of William I de Cantelowe and Masceline de Bracy).
    Children:
    1. 8. Peter de Montfort was born about 1205; died on 4 Aug 1265 in Evesham, Worcestershire, England.

  3. 18.  Henry of Aldithley was born about 1175 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England (son of Adam of Aldithley and Emma fitz Ralph); died before Nov 1246.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 19 Nov 1246

    Notes:

    Also called Henry de Audley; Aldithlegh.

    Sheriff of Shrophsire and Staffordshire 1227-8, 1229-32.

    "Henry of Aldithley, 2nd son of Adam of Aldithley, (who d. bet. 1203 and 1211) by Emma, daughter of Ralf fitz Orm, of Darlaston, Staffs; was b. about 1175; with his father, he was witness to a charter of Harvey Bagot in 1194. He bought large estates from Eleanor Malbank in 1214; in 1227 he acquired the manors of Edgmund and Newport, and in 1230 that of Ford, all in Salop, and all held by him direct from the Crown, though not by military or knight service. He was Under Sheriff of Salop and co. Stafford 1217-20, and Sheriff 1227-32; was in command of the Welsh Marches 1223-46. He built the castle of Heligh, co. Stafford; and Red Castle, Salop. In 1223 he founded Hulton Abbey. He was appointed Custodian of Chester and Beeston Castle, 22 June 1237, on the extinction of the the earldom of Chester. He m. in 1217, Bertred, daughter of Ralf Mainwaring, Seneschal of Chester. He d. in 1246, shortly bef. Nov. His widow was living in 1249. She was bur. in Hulton Abbey." [Complete Peerage I:337, as corrected in Volume XIV.]

    From A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire:

    "That this family of Alditheley, vulgarly called Audley," says Dugdale, "came to be great and eminent, the ensuing discourse will sufficiently manifest: but that the rise thereof was no higher than King John's time, and that the first who assumed this surname was a branch of that ancient and noble family of Verdon, whose chief seat was at Alton Castle in the northern part of Staffordshire, I am very inclined to believe; partly by reason that Henry had the inheritance of Alditheley given him by Nicholas de Verdon, who d. in the 16th Henry III [1232], or near that time; and partly for that he bore for his arms the same ordinary as Vernon did...so that probably the ancestor of this Henry first seated himself at Alditheley: for that there hath been an ancient mansion there, the large moat, northwards from the parish church there (somewhat less than a furlong, and upon the chief part of a fair ascent), do sufficiently manifest."

    Henry de Alditheley, to whom Dugdale alludes above, being in great favour with Ranulph, Earl of Chester and Lincoln (the most powerful subject of England in his time), obtained from that nobleman a grant of Newhall in Cheshire with manors in Staffordshire and other parts--and for his adhesion to King John, in that monarch's struggle with the insurrectionary barons, a royal grant of the lordship o fStorton in Warwickshire, part of the possessions of Roger de Summerville. In the first four years of King Henry III [1216-1220], he executed the office of sheriff for the counties of Salop and Stafford as deputy for his patron, the great Earl Ranulph. In the 10th of Henry III [1226], this Henry de Alditheley was appointed governor of the castles of Carmarthen and Cardigan and made sheriff the next year of the counties of Salop and Stafford and constable of the castles of Salop and Bridgenorth, which sheriffalty he held for five years. Upon his retirement from office, he had a confirmation of all such lands whereof he was then possessed as well those granted to him by Ranulph, Earl of Chester, and Nicholas de Verdon, as those in Ireland given him by Hugh de Lacy, Earl of Ulster, whose constable he was in that province. He subsequently obtained divers other territorial grants from the crown, but, notwithstanding, when Richard Mareschall, Earl of Pembroke, rebelled and made an incursion into Wales, the king, Henry III, thought it prudent to secure the persons of this Henry and all the other barons-marchers. He was afterwards, however, constituted governor of Shrewsbury in place of John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, and, on the death of John, Earl of Chester, governor of the castle of Chester, and also that of Beeston, then called the "Castle on the Rock," and soon after made governor of Newcastle-under-Lyne. This powerful feudal baron m. Bertred, dau. of Ralph de Meisnil-warin, of Cheshire, and had a son, James, and a dau., Emme, who m. Griffith ap Madoc, Lord of Bromefield, a person of great power in Wales. He d. in 1236, having founded and endowed the Abbey of Hilton near to his castle at Heleigh, in Staffordshire, for Cistercian monks, and was s. by his son, James de Alditheley.

    Henry married Bertrade de Mainwaring in 1217. Bertrade (daughter of Ralph Mainwaring and Amicia de Meschines) died after 1248; was buried in Hulton Abbey, Staffordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 19.  Bertrade de Mainwaring (daughter of Ralph Mainwaring and Amicia de Meschines); died after 1248; was buried in Hulton Abbey, Staffordshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1249
    • Alternate death: Aft 3 Nov 1249

    Children:
    1. 9. Alice de Audley died after Aug 1265.
    2. Amicia de Audley
    3. Emma de Audley was born about 1218 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died after 22 Dec 1270.
    4. James de Aldithley was born about 1220 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died about 11 Jun 1272 in Ireland.

  5. 20.  William de la Mare was born about 1175 in of Ashtead, Epsom, Surrey, England (son of William de la Mare and Leica fitz Ralph); died before Oct 1239.

    Notes:

    Deputy sheriff of Surrey and Sussex 1217-1226.

    William married Basile. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 21.  Basile
    Children:
    1. 10. Henry de la Mare was born about 1208 in of Ashtead, Epsom, Surrey, England; died in 1257.

  7. 22.  John de Neville was born in of Little Hallingbury, Essex, England (son of Hugh de Neville and Joan de Cornhill); died before 8 Jun 1246; was buried in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England.

    Notes:

    Chief Forester and Justice of the King's Forests throughout England. Notable for having achieved the distinction of being excessively tyrannical and oppressive even by the standards of the early thirteenth century.

    Complete Peerage: "On 21 October 1235 he was appointed Chief Forester and justice of the whole of the King's Forest through England. He was one of the English notables who sailed with Richard, Earl of Cornwall, for Palestine from Marseilles in 1240. After his return to England he was so rapacious and oppressive in the execution of his office that, upon evidence obtained by commission, he escaped prison only by a very heavy fine. He retired in disgrace to Wethersfield, where he died soon afterwards."

    John married Hawise de Courtenay before 15 Feb 1230. Hawise (daughter of Robert de Courtenay and Mary de Revières) was born in of Okehampton, Devon, England; died before 8 Apr 1269. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 23.  Hawise de Courtenay was born in of Okehampton, Devon, England (daughter of Robert de Courtenay and Mary de Revières); died before 8 Apr 1269.
    Children:
    1. 11. Joan de Neville died before 1280.


Generation: 6

  1. 32.  Henry de Montfort was born in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England (son of Thurstan de Montfort and Juliana de Murdac); died about 1199.

    Notes:

    According to Turton's 1968 Plantagenet Ancestry his wife was one Emma (or Rose?) Corbuceo, whom Jim Weber makes the daughter of Peter Corbucion of Studley & Chillington, mentioned in VCH Warwickshire III:175-87. This Peter's father, another Peter, is also mentioned in VCH Staffordshire V: 18-40.

    Children:
    1. 16. Thurstan de Montfort was born before 1179 in of Beaudesert, Warwickshire, England; died before 9 Jul 1216.

  2. 34.  William I de Cantelowe was born before 1157 in of Leigh, Dorset, England (son of Walter de Cantelowe and Amice); died on 7 Apr 1239 in Reading, Berkshire, England; was buried in Studley Priory, Warwickshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: Between 1170 and 1175, of Caln, Wiltshire, England

    Notes:

    Also spelled Cantelou; Cantilupe.

    Count of Mortain. Sheriff of Worcestershire 1200-15; Sheriff of Warwickshire and Leicestershire 1201-4, 1209-23; itinerant Justice in Staffordshire 1203; Sheriff of Herefordshire 1204-5; Steward of the King's Household 1204-22; justice in Nottinghamshire 1208; itinerant justice in Bedfordshire 1218. Fought at the siege of Bitham Castle, 1221.

    "He and William Briwerre supervised elections in the vacant sees of York and Carlisle in 1214. Wendover's description of him as one of John's 'evil counselors' probably owes much to his role as a gaoler of baronial hostages. Wendover also suggests that Cantelowe may have wavered in his loyalty after the rebel seizure of London in 1215, but this is belied by the stream of royal writs sent to him in 1215-16. In 1215 he also witnessed the royal declaration of free election to sees and abbeys. He took the side of the king in his war with the barons. In 1215-16 he was granted a number of manors belonging to rebels, and was commissioned to treat with those who might return to the king's peace." [Royal Ancestry]

    "A Norman by birth." [Royal Ancestry]

    William married Masceline de Bracy. Masceline (daughter of Adulf de Bracy) died after 1220. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 35.  Masceline de Bracy (daughter of Adulf de Bracy); died after 1220.

    Notes:

    Also called Mazalia; Mazra; Brascy; Braci.

    Children:
    1. William II de Cantelowe was born in of Calne, Wiltshire, England; died on 22 Feb 1251.
    2. 17. (Unknown) de Cantelowe
    3. Walter de Cantelowe, Bishop of Worcester died in 1266.

  4. 36.  Adam of Aldithley was born in of Audley, Staffordshire, England (son of Liulf); died between 1203 and 1211.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Between 1201 and 1211

    Adam married Emma fitz Ralph about 1170. Emma (daughter of Ralph fitz Orm) was born in of Darlaston, Staffordshire, England; died before Nov 1246. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 37.  Emma fitz Ralph was born in of Darlaston, Staffordshire, England (daughter of Ralph fitz Orm); died before Nov 1246.
    Children:
    1. 18. Henry of Aldithley was born about 1175 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died before Nov 1246.

  6. 38.  Ralph Mainwaring (son of Roger le Mesnilwarin); died after 1189.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1201

    Notes:

    Also called Ralph Mesnilwarin; Ralph de Mednil War.

    Justice of Chester. Seneschal of Chester.

    Ralph married Amicia de Meschines about 1179. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  7. 39.  Amicia de Meschines (daughter of Hugh of Chester and (Unknown first wife of Hugh of Chester)).

    Notes:

    Also called Amice of Chester. Her legitimacy was the subject of a lengthy seventeenth-century controversy which can be read, in all its magnificently florid language, here.

    It seems to us entirely plausible that Amicia was Hugh's legitimate daughter by an unknown earlier wife. The Earl's behavior toward Amicia, and the attitude shown by all their contemporaries -- to say nothing of the illustrious guests recorded as having attended Amicia's wedding to Ralph Mainwairing -- are all consistent with Amicia being legitimate. It's far from impossible that history should have lost track of the identity of a twelfth-century magnate's short-lived first wife. We don't even have firm knowledge of the birth dates of some post-Conquest English kings.

    A summary of the issues, from Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerages:

    The earl had another dau., whose legitimacy is questionable, namely Amicia,* m. to Ralph de Mesnilwarin, justice of Chester, "a person," says Dugdale, "of very ancient family," from which union the Mainwarings, of Over Peover, in the co. Chester, derive. Dugdale considers Amicia to be a dau. of the earl by a former wife. But Sir Peter Leicester, in his Antiquities of Chester, totally denies her legitimacy. "I cannot but mislike," says he, "the boldness and ignorance of that herald who gave to Mainwaring (late of Peover), the elder, the quartering of the Earl of Chester's arms; for if he ought of right to quarter that coat, then must he be descended from a co-heir to the Earl of Chester; but he was not; for the co-heirs of Earl Hugh married four of the greatest peers in the kingdom."

    (*) Upon the question of this lady's legitimacy there was a long paper war between Sir Peter Leicester and Sir Thomas Mainwaring -- and eventually the matter was referred to the judges, of whose decision Wood says, "at an assize held at Chester, 1675, the controversy was decided by the justices itinerant, who, as I have heard, adjudged the right of the matter to Mainwaring."

    The passage from Dugdale that evidently occasioned Sir Peter Leycester's astonishment and disbelief, from his Baronage of England, 1675, reprinted by Georg Olms Verlag, Hildesheim & New York, 1977; Earls of Chester, pp. 40-41:

    [I]t is certain that [Sir Hugh] had another Daughter called Amicia, married to Raphe de Mesnilwarin (a person of a very ancient Family, and Justice of Chester, in those days) whose Legitimacy is doubted by some; the cheif reason they give for it, being, that they find no Memorial, that Earl Hugh her Father had a former Wife.

    That she was his Daughter, sufficiently appeareth, not only from his Grant of two Knight Fees with her in Frank-marriage, unto Raphe de Mesnilwarin before mentioned, where he so termeth her. But by another Deed of Roger de Mesnilwarin her Son, wherein he calls Ranulph, Earl of Chester, (Son to this Earl) his Uncle.

    As to her Legitimacy, therefore I do not well understand how there can be any question, it being known Maxim in Law, that nothing can be given in Frank-marriage to a Bastard.

    The Point being then thus briefly cleared, I shall not need to raise further Arguments from Probabilities to back it, then to desire it may be observed, that Bertra (whom I conclude to have been his second Wife) was married to him, when he was in years, and she, herself, very young, as is evident from what I have before instanced. So that he having been Earl no less then twenty eight years, it must necessarily follow, that this Bertra was not born, till four years after he came to the Earldom. Nor is it any marvel he should then take such a young Wife, having at that time no Issue-male to succeed him in this he great Inheritance."

    From Palatine Anthology: A Collection of Ancient Poems and Ballads Relating to Lancashire and Chester ed. James Orchard Halliwell (London: 1850):

    The following old ballad relates to a famous dispute between two Cheshire knights, Sir Peter Leycester and Sir Thomas Mainwaring, about the legitimacy of Amicia, daughter of Hugh Lupus. The worthy knights were related by marriage, and the controversy agitated the county for many years, and was hardly settled by the death of one of the principal controversialists. Communicated to me by Mr. W. H. BLACK.

    A new Ballad, made of a high and mighty Controversy between two Cheshire Knights, 1673.

    (From the ASHMOLEAN MSS. No. 860, iii, art. 1, and No. 836, art. 183.)

    Two famous wights, both Cheshire Knights,
    Thomas yclep'd and Petre,
    A quarrel had, which was too bad
    As bad as is my metre.

    Neere kinsmen were they, yet had a great fray,
    Concerning things done quondam;
    I think as long since as Will Rufus was Prince,
    E'en about their Great-great-grandame.

    Sir Peter (good man) this quarell began:
    Whilst he tumbles ore ancient deedes,
    Old women can't have quiet rest in their graves,
    So loud he proclaims what he reades.

    When in reading he found (as he thought) good ground
    To judge his Grannam a bastard;
    Though he blemisht her name, yet it to proclaim
    He resolv'd hee'd be no dastard.

    But boldly durst say, that AMICIA
    Daughter of Hugh Earle of Chester
    For certaine was bore to him . . . .
    As sure as his name was Leycester.

    To this good intent he us'd much argument
    The which all such as are willing
    Fully to know, let them quickly bestow
    Upon his Booke sixteene shilling.

    His Grannam's his friend; yet truth hee'l defend
    And little dirt he throws on her,
    For as now, so then, among your great men,
    A bastard is small dishonour.

    Another grandchild, hearing this was stark wild,
    The affront he could not digest;
    But takes pen in hand, the same to withstand,
    As scorning to fowl his own nest.

    His Grannam hee'l right, against the erring Knight,
    That slander'd her without warrant:
    Who does not his best, to free ladies opprest,
    Is not a true Knight Errant.

    Hist'ry and lawes he cites for his cause,
    With Judges and Heraldes; what more?
    With these hee'l defy the scandalous lye
    That made him . . . . .

    They us'd not their swords, but their pens and fowl words,
    Which noyse with other folks laughter,
    Could not chuse to awake (to clere this mistake)
    The jolly old Earl and his daughter.

    Then up start[s] Earl Hughe, and sayes "Is it true--
    That I, brave Chester's Earle,
    Am summon'd to appear before Justices here,
    As charg'd with a by-blow girle?"

    Not another word, but clapt hand on his sword;
    While she (gentle AMICIA)
    For feare of some slaughter that might come after,
    Besought him in patience to stay.

    But she told her Grandson, "'Twas uncivilly done
    Such a hideous pudder to keep:
    Whilst he dreams that folks soules do snort in dark holes
    To awake us out of our sleep.

    "Should it have been true, that's suspected by you,
    Its father was able to nourish
    The barne he had got, and sure I should not
    Have been any charge to the parish.

    "But you, dear Sir Thomas, (much honor to your domus)
    That my cause you have so well defended;
    Henceforth leave AMICIA, both keepe Amicitia;
    And so let the quarell be ended."

    All this said, the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography also notes that "[t]he feud, however, was not merely a dispute over genealogical and legal niceties, but reflected the division on the Cheshire bench between those like Leycester who sought a rigorous enforcement of the Act of Uniformity and the Conventicle Acts and those such as Mainwaring who opposed this policy."

    Children:
    1. Roger Mainwaring was born in of Warmingham, Cheshire, England; died before 1244.
    2. 19. Bertrade de Mainwaring died after 1248; was buried in Hulton Abbey, Staffordshire, England.

  8. 40.  William de la Mare

    William married Leica fitz Ralph. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  9. 41.  Leica fitz Ralph (daughter of Ralph fitz Robert and Mary fitz Laurence).
    Children:
    1. 20. William de la Mare was born about 1175 in of Ashtead, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before Oct 1239.

  10. 44.  Hugh de Neville was born in of Great Hallingbury, Bishop's Stortford, Essex, England (son of Ralph de Neville and (Unknown) Rafin); died before 21 Jul 1234; was buried in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 31 Jul 1234

    Notes:

    Chief Forester and Justice of the King's Forest; Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire 1197-1200, 1202-4; Keeper of the Seaports from Cornwall to Hampshire.

    Raised at the court of Henry II as an intimate of Richard, whom he accompanied to the Holy Land on the Third Crusade in 1190. Present at the siege of Jaffa. It was Richard who first appointed him forester, an office he retained under John, but his relationship with the latter king was less smooth. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: "As chief forester he was largely free of supervision by the king's exchequer at Westminster; he held his own exchequer of the forest, which is known to have sat at Marlborough and Nottingham, and was directly accountable to the king, who, however, sometimes intervened personally. Neville's position during John's reign was very powerful, since he was one of the king's closest advisers and agents, but his relationship with his royal master was a turbulent one. Several times he had to pay large fines to the king when his actions did not find favour. His wife may have been one of the women who suffered from the amorous attentions of the king, since in 1204 she made a fine of 200 shillings 'to lie one night with her husband' (Rotuli de oblatis et finibus ... tempore Regis Johannis ed. T. D. Hardy, RC, 1835, 275). In 1212 Neville was forced to pay a fine of 6000 marks, ostensibly for allowing the escape of two knights captured at Carrickfergus in 1210, but it seems also to have covered his misdeeds in administering the northern forests and his tenure of the lands of the bishopric of Salisbury during the interdict. Soon afterwards he was dismissed as sheriff of Hampshire, and as keeper of the county and forest of Cumberland, which he had held since 1209; some of the debt was, however, pardoned later. He witnessed Magna Carta in 1215, but before John's death joined the baronial party, to whom he brought the possession of Marlborough Castle." For this he lost his office and some of his estates.

    He made peace with Henry III but did not return to office until 1224; his remaining years as forester were caught up in the complex disputes over forest boundaries between the counties and the central government. He was ultimately dismissed on 8 Oct 1229.

    Hugh married Joan de Cornhill before 30 Apr 1200. Joan (daughter of Henry de Cornhill and Alice de Courcy) died between 1224 and 1230; was buried in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  11. 45.  Joan de Cornhill (daughter of Henry de Cornhill and Alice de Courcy); died between 1224 and 1230; was buried in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft Dec 1224
    • Alternate death: Aft 9 May 1225

    Children:
    1. 22. John de Neville was born in of Little Hallingbury, Essex, England; died before 8 Jun 1246; was buried in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England.
    2. Joan de Nevill died after 1274.

  12. 46.  Robert de Courtenay was born about 1183 in of Okehampton, Devon, England (son of Reynold de Courtenay and Hawise de Courcy); died on 26 Jul 1242 in Iwerne, Dorset, England; was buried in Ford Abbey, Dorset, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Abt 27 Jul 1242, Iwerne, Dorset, England

    Notes:

    "Sheriff of Devonshire, and Castellan of Exeter, 1209; Castellan of Oxford and Sheriff of Oxfordshire, 1215 in which year King John committed to him the coinage of tin in Devonshire and Cornwall. In 1219 he inherited from his mother the great Honour of Okehampton amounting to 92 knight's fees." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Ancestral Roots places Ford Abbey in Devon. It is now in Dorset, but appears to be quite close to both the Devon and Somerset borders (in fact its mailing address is in Chard, Somerset). Given shifting county borders, AR could well be correct for the time when Sir Robert was buried.

    Robert married Mary de Revières between 1210 and 1211. Mary (daughter of William de Revières and Mabel de Meulan) died after 12 Nov 1242. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  13. 47.  Mary de Revières (daughter of William de Revières and Mabel de Meulan); died after 12 Nov 1242.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 15 Jul 1250

    Notes:

    Also called Mary de Vernon.

    Children:
    1. 23. Hawise de Courtenay was born in of Okehampton, Devon, England; died before 8 Apr 1269.
    2. John de Courtenay was born in of Okehampton, Devon, England; died on 3 May 1274; was buried in Ford Abbey, Dorset, England.