Robert Ferrers

Robert married Joan Beaufort before 30 Sep 1390. Joan (daughter of John of Gaunt and Catherine de Roet) was born about 1379; died on 13 Nov 1440 in Howden, Yorkshire, England; was buried in Lincoln Cathedral, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Elizabeth Ferrers was born about 1393; died in 1434; was buried in Church of the Black Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.
2. Mary Ferrers was born about 1394; died on 25 Jan 1458.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 31 Dec 1380

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He was summoned to Parliament from 28 Dec 1375 to 20 Oct 1379 by writs directed Roberto de Ferrers de Wemme.

Robert married Elizabeth le Boteler after 27 Sep 1369 in Acton Burnell, Shropshire, England. Elizabeth (daughter of William le Boteler and Elizabeth de Handesacre) was born about 1345; died on 19 Jun 1411. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Justice, 1340. King's chamberlain, July 1343. Vice-Admiral of the Fleet, 26 Apr 1344. He was at Crécy and the siege of Calais.

Robert married Joan de la Mote before 1350. Joan died on 29 Jun 1375 in London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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He was summoned to Parliament 23 Feb 1368 and 6 Apr 1369.

William married Elizabeth de Handesacre before 5 Jul 1343. Elizabeth (daughter of William de Handesacre and Eleanor) died after Apr 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Summoned to Parliament from 6 Feb 1299 to 19 Dec 1311.

John married Hawise de Muscegros between 2 Feb 1298 and 13 Sep 1300. Hawise (daughter of Robert de Muscegros and (Unknown first wife of Robert de Muscegros)) was born on 21 Dec 1276; died between 23 Jun 1340 and 22 Dec 1350. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Or Musgrove.

William married Margaret de Arundel. Margaret (daughter of Richard Fitz Alan and Alice di Saluzzo) died before 1354. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

William married Eleanor. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 27 Apr 1279
• Alternate death: Bef 20 Nov 1279

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Earl of Derby. "He joined the Barons opposing Henry III. On 19 Feb 1263, he captured Worcester, pillaged the city and destroyed the Jewish population. He was captured and imprisoned in the Tower of London from Jan 1265 to the spring of 1266. When released, he gathered an army, but was defeated at Chesterfield, 15 May 1266, and again imprisoned, in Wallingford Castle, where he remained until about June 1269. Having lost nearly all of his estates and suffering from gout, he retired from public life." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

Robert married Eleanor de Bohun on 26 Jun 1269. Eleanor (daughter of Humphrey de Bohun and Eleanor de Briouze) died on 20 Feb 1314; was buried in Walden Abbey, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Robert married (Unknown first wife of Robert de Muscegros). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also spelled Le Botiller. "Her served as a Justce of Assize, a Conservator of the Peace, and Commander of levies, in addition to being an MP." [Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, citation details below.]

"William le Botiler of Wem and Oversley, next brother and heir, born 11 June 1274. He had livery of his brother's lands 8 April 1296, and having served in the wars with Scotland, was summoned to Parliament 10 March 1307/8 to 10 October 1325, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiller (or sometimes le Butiller) de Wemme, whereby he be held to have become Lord le Botiller. He m. 1stly, before 1298, Beatrice, who was living in 1305-06. He m., 2ndly, before February 1315/6, Ela daughter and coheir of Roger of Herdeburgh. He d. 1334, before 14 September. His widow was living 5 July 1343, and d. s.p.m." [Complete Peerage II:232]

William married Beatrice before 1298. Beatrice died after 1305. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Between 1306 and Feb 1316
• Alternate death: Bef 22 Nov 1306

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Also called Richard de Arundel. Earl of Arundel.

From Complete Peerage, 1:240-41:

Richard fitz Alan, feudal Lord of Clun and Oswestry and [according to the admission of 1443], Earl of Arundel, only son and heir, born 3 February 1266/7, and was only 5 years old at his father's death. He had seizin of his lands 8 December 1287. According to Glover he was created Earl of Sussex (a) in 1289, when he was knighted and "received the sword of the county of Sussex" from Edward I "ut vocatur Comes;", but it seems more probable that this creation was as Earl of Arundel (b). At all events no more is heard of the former title (Sussex) as connected with this family, but only of the title of Arundel. On 12 February 1290/1 there is a grant to him as Richard Arundel, Earl of Arundel. In October 1292 he was summoned by a writ directed to the Earl of Arundel, and was summoned to Parliament 24 June 1295, by a writ directed Ricardo filio Alani Comiti Arundell, ranking him as junior to all the other Earls. He fought in the Welsh wars 1288, in Gascony 1295-7, and in the Scottish wars 1298-1300, being present at the siege of Carlaverock in 1300. He signed the Barons' letter to the Pope, 12 February 1300/1.

(a) "The Earldom of Sussex must at this period have been a subject of contention between the De Warrens and Fitz Alans, for John de Warren, Earl of Surrey, was receiving, at the very time that this investiture occurred, writs directed to him as Earl of Sussex. John de Warren was perhaps the greatest noble of the time in which he lived, and his power and influence may have operated to induce Fitz Alan to abandon his claim upon the Earldom of Sussex and to adopt that [i.e. the Earldom of Arundel] by which his descendants have ever since been known." (Courthope, p. 29).

(b) It is worthy of remark, in connection with the very doubtful right, either of his father or grandfather, to the Earldom of Arundel, that it was not till 1282, viz. sometime after their death and during this Earl's minority, that Isabel, Countess of Arundel, widow of Hugh (d'Aubigny), died. It would almost appear (possibly owing to the largess of her dower) that the Earldom was not dealt with during her lifetime. A somewhat parallel case occurs, later on, in the same family, when Richard, Earl of Arundel, who, in 1347, had suc. his maternal uncle the Earl of Surrey, did not assume the Earldom of Surrey till the death of Joan, widow of the afsd. Earl, in 1361.

Richard married Alice di Saluzzo in Nov 1282. Alice (daughter of Tomasso di Saluzzo and Aluigia del Vasto) was born in of Saluzzo, Cuneo, Piedmont, Italy; died on 25 Sep 1292; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also called Alasia di Saluzzo; Alasia del Vasto di Saluzzo.

"Along with her aunt Alasia de Saluzzo who married Edmund de Lacy, 2nd earl of Lincoln, in 1247, Alasia was one of the first Italian women to marry into an English noble family. Her marriage had been arranged by the late King Henry III's widowed queen consort Eleanor de Provence." [Leo van de Pas]

CP has her buried at Todingham Priory, but Chris Phillips's compilation of corrections to CP includes Douglas Richardson's note in Jan 2002 that "the bodies of both Richard and Alesia were at Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, by 1341, when provision was made for 12 candles to burn in the church of Haughmond around their tombs."

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 28 Mar 1254, Evington, Leicestershire, England

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Earl of Derby. Constable of Bolsover Castle. He died of injuries sustained when he was thrown from a chariot crossing a bridge at St. Neots in Cambridgeshire.

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So to start with, Sir William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, born 1193, helpfully had two daughters named Agnes de Ferrers.

The first Agnes de Ferrers, by Sir William's first wife Sybil Marshal, was born about 1222 and married William de Vescy (b. bef. 16 May 1205).

The second Agnes de Ferrers, by Sir William's second wife Margaret de Quincy, was born about 1252 and married Sir Robert de Muscegros (b. abt. 1252).

But that's not all!

Sir William also had two daughters named Joan de Ferrers.

Again (you're starting to get the idea by now), the first Joan de Ferrers, by Sir William's first wife Sybil Marshal, was born about 1233 and married, first Sir John de Mohun (b. abt. 1227, d. bef. 1254), and second, Sir Robert de Aguillon (b. 15 Feb 1235/36).

The second Joan de Ferrers, by Sir William's second wife Margaret de Quincy, was born in 1245 and married Thomas de Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley (b. 1245).

This second pair of Joans is made even more hilarious by the existence of yet a third Joan de Ferrers, contemporary to the other two, born abt. 1256 to a completely different William de Ferrers, the one born c. 1225, of Bere Ferrers, Tavistock, Devon.

I'm sure they all got together regularly to laugh about how aggravating this would be to people seven hundred years in the future.

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As a final piece of genealogical curiosa, Eleanor de Ferrers, youngest daughter of William de Ferrers by his first wife, married Roger de Quincy, father of William de Ferrers' second wife Roger de Quincy, thus rendering Eleanor de Ferrers and Margaret de Quincy one another's stepmothers.

William married Margaret de Quincy before 1239. Margaret (daughter of Roger de Quincy and Helen of Galloway) was born before 1223; died before 12 Mar 1281. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1294

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• Alternate birth: of Kimbolton, Essex, England

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"He supported Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester, in his failed rebellion against the King, was one of the chief leaders of the rebel party at the battle of Lewes, 14 May 1264, and was taken prisoner at the battle of Evesham (2nd Barons' War), 4 Aug 1265. Sent to Beeston Castle, he died there in captivity." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

"Humphrey de Bohun, s. and h., had a grant in 1254 as eldest s. of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex, of 80 marks a year at the Exchequer till the King could provide for him in lands of that yearly value. In 1257 he was among those who assisted his father to keep the marches between Montgomery and the land of the Earl of Gloucester, and in 1263 was ordered to join his father at Hereford to defend the lands and fortify the castles on the marches against Llywellyn. He joined the Barons against the King, and on 23 July 1264.had the custody of the Castle of Winchester, which he was ordered to surrender 3 June 1265. He had also (15 Sep. 1264) the Island and Castle of Lundy, and (17 Nov. 1264) the manor of Havering, Essex. He fought at the Battle of Evesham, 4. Aug. 1265, where he was taken prisoner." {Complete Peerage 6:462]

Humphrey married Eleanor de Briouze. Eleanor (daughter of William de Briouze and Eve Marshal) died before 25 Jun 1252; was buried in Llanthony Priory, outside Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1264

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• Alternate birth: 10 Aug 1232, of Norton, Somerset, England
• Alternate death: 1276

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Sheriff of Devon, 1261-63. Fought in Gascony in 1254. Sided with the barons against the King and was made by them constable of Salisbury castle.

John married Cecily Avenal. Cecily (daughter of William Avenal and Aline) died before 10 Aug 1301. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also called Dulcia.

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Complete Peerage II: 231:

"William le Botiler of Wem, Salop, son & heir of Ralph le Botiler of Oversley, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter & heir of William Pantulf of Wem. He succeeded his father shortly before 3 July 1281 He was summoned cum equis et armis, 24 May 1282 and 14 March 1282/3, and to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 July 1283, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiler (or le Botiller) de Wemme.

"He married, after 2 October 1261, Angharad, daughter of Griffith ap Madoc ap Griffith Maelor, Lord of Bromfield, Dinas Bran and Yale (now co. Denbigh), i.e. of Lower Powis, by Emma, daughter of Henry AUDLEY, of Heleigh, co. Stafford. He died shortly before 11 December 1283. His widow, to whom dower was ordered to be assigned, 8 February 1283/4, was living 22 July 1308."

Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages:

"William Boteler, who, in the lifetime of his father, had m. Ankaret, niece of James de Aldithley, died, however, in a very few years after inheriting his paternal property (anno 1283), leaving three sons,John, Gawine, and William, and was s. by his eldest, John Boteler."

William married Ankaret ferch Gruffudd after 2 Oct 1261. Ankaret (daughter of Gruffudd ap Madoc and Emma de Audley) was born about 1248; died after 22 Jun 1308. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also spelled Angharad.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 14 Sep 1246, of Clun, Shropshire, England

Notes:

Chief Butler of England.

"John Fitz Alan, feudal lord of Clun and Oswestry, and (according to the admission of 1433 abovenamed) Earl of Arundel, only s. and h., b. 14 Sep. 1246. He did homage for his estates 10 Dec. 1267. He, also (as Courthope remarks), though '22 years at his father's decease, was never known as Earl of Arundel, and it is incredible that, if he had ever borne that title, as annexed to the Castle and Honour, the fact would have been omitted in the inquisition which finds him to have died seized (1272), 56 Hen. III, of that Castle and Honour held by the 4th part of a Barony.' He m. Isabel, da. of Roger de Mortimer, of Wigmore, by Maud, da and coh. of William de Briouze, of Brecknock. He d. 18 Mar. 1271/2, and was bur. in Haughmond Abbey, Salop." [Complete Peerage I:240]

John married Isabella de Mortimer before 14 May 1260. Isabella (daughter of Roger de Mortimer and Maud de Briouze) died before 1 Apr 1292; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Complete Peerage volume I contains some misinformation about this Isabella. Kathryn Warner has shown that rather than being alive in 1300, she died before 1 Apr 1292. This is in fact corrected in CP volume XIV. Uncorrected, however, is its confused account of her subsequent marital history. Douglas Richardson, in a 2016 post to SGM, demonstrated that contrary to CP, she did not marry Ralph d'Arderne after the death of her first husband John fitz Alan; rather, the Isabel who married Ralph d'Arderne was the widow of an entirely different John Fitz Alan, of Wolverton, Buckinghamshire. Our Isabel "occurs in various records as the unmarried widow of John Fitz Alan, of Arundel, from the time of his death in 1272 up through 1284-5, when she is on record as having presented to Cold Norton Priory, Oxfordshire. She subsequently married (2nd) on 2 September 1285, to Robert de Hastang, as indicated by the historian, Scott Waugh, Lordship of England (1988): 131-132, who states as follows: 'It turned out that Henry III had granted the right of her [Isabel's] marriage to her father, that after he died his executors accepted her fine for the right to marry whomever she pleased, and that she had married Robert de Hastang on 2 September 1285.'"

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1240, of Saluzzo, Cuneo, Piedmont, Italy
• Alternate birth: 1244
• Alternate death: 1299

Notes:

Fourth marquis of Saluzzo. "Built a great palace for his family in 1270. In the battle of Roccavione in 1275 he caused Charles d'Anjou to lose Piedmont; fought Savoy in 1290." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

Tomasso married Aluigia del Vasto in 1258. Aluigia (daughter of Giorgio del Vasto and Menzia) died on 22 Aug 1291. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also called Aluyisia; Aloisia; Luisia; Luigia; Alusia di Ceva.