William Marmion

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Abt 1219

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"That William was a son of Robert Marmion the son of Milicent is evident from a statement made in a lawsuit of about 1267 that William Marmion, lord of Checkenden about 1266 when he died, was great grandson of the Robert Marmion who gave the advowson of Checkenden to Coventry. Since this last William was son of Geoffrey who was son of this William, it follows then that William was a son of Robert." [The Ancestry of Thomas Bradbury, citation details below]

Some controversy over this is recorded here, and also in a note by Walter Lee Sheppard at the end of line 246A in Ancestral Roots, 8th edition (citation details below). Based on what we can make out from these, we're tentatively satisfied that Threlfall was correct, but we're open to counterarguments.

Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Geoffrey Marmion was born about 1198; died between Oct 1246 and 1255.

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• Alternate death: Bef Nov 1181
• Alternate death: Abt 1185

Robert married Elizabeth. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

But not "Elizabeth, da. of Gervase, s. of Hugh, Count of Rethel" as stated in CP VIII: 507.

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1095
• Alternate death: 1143
• Alternate death: Abt 16 Sep 1144, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

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"Robert Marmion, son of Roger Marmion, which Roger at the time of the Lindsey Survey, circa 1115-18, held land in Lincolnshire, rendered an account of 176£ 13s. 4d. for relief on his father's lands, of which 60£ had been paid by Michaelmas 1130. He was granted by Henry I, circa 1129-33, free warren in Warwickshire as his father had it, especially at Tamworth. With his wife Milicent he granted the church of Polesworth and other property to the nuns there, and the vill of Buteyate to Bardney Abbey. In 1140 Geoffrey, Earl of Anjou, besieged and destroyed his castle of Fontenay. A prominent figure in the anarchy of Stephen's reign, he evicted the monks of Coventry and profaned their church. [...] He died in 1143 or 1144, being slain in warfare with the Earl of Chester." [Complete Peerage]

From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

Marmion took King Stephen's part in the struggle with the Empress Matilda. In 1140 he appears as castellan of Falaise, where he successfully held out against Geoffrey, count of Anjou. His own castle at Fontenoy-le-Marmion was destroyed as a reprisal. In England he was in contention with William de Beauchamp over the castle and honour of Tamworth, where he had received a grant of free warren from Henry I.

Marmion faced a more formidable opponent, however, in Ranulf (II), earl of Chester. Here the struggle centred on the town of Coventry. Marmion was no mean figure himself militarily, being described as a warlike man, almost unequalled in his time for ferocity, adroitness, and daring, renowned for his many successes far and wide. At Coventry he expelled the monks and fortified the priory, using its stone buildings as a fortress from which to launch frequent attacks on the earl's castle. He also covered the field between the two with ditches to impede the enemy's forces. It was an act of desecration from which the chroniclers were soon able to draw a moral. The story is told in outline by Henry of Huntingdon, referred to by John of Salisbury, and given detail by the later twelfth-century chronicler, William of Newburgh. When the earl came with a considerable force to relieve the castle, Marmion's forces went out to engage him. During the action he was thrown from his horse into one of his own ditches. As he lay immobilized, with a broken thigh, he was decapitated, in full view of all, by a common soldier of the opposing army. He was apparently the only man killed in the action, 'crushed under the weight of divine judgement' (William of Newburgh, Historia rerum Anglicarum ed. R. Howlett, Rolls Series, 1884, 1.71). This occurred about 16 September 1144. Marmion was buried at Polesworth, in unconsecrated ground as an excommunicate, and was succeeded by his son Robert. His widow, Milicent, married Richard de Camville.

Robert married Milicent of Réthel. Milicent (daughter of Gervase de Réthel, Archdeacon of Reims and Elizabeth of Namur) was born between 1105 and 1115. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1110
• Alternate birth: Aft 1115

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• Alternate birth: of Lincolnshire, England
• Alternate birth: of Tamworth, Warwickshire, England
• Alternate death: Abt 1130

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This Roger Marmion's existence (and fatherhood of the Robert Marmion who d. abt. 1143) is confirmed by Complete Peerage, but CP says only that he was "possibly" son of Robert who "d. in or before 1106" and was married to a Hawise.

Roger married (Unknown) de Abetot. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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"Resigned [as archdeacon] on the death of his father and succeeded him as count of Rethel." [Ancestral Roots]

Gervase married Elizabeth of Namur. Elizabeth (daughter of Godfrey of Namur and Sibylle de Château Porcéan) died after 1141. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Or Isabell.

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Lord of Fontenay, in Normandy; Tamworth, in Warwickshire; Scrivelsby, in Yorkshire. Possibly the son of "William Marmion who exchanged 12 acres of land, apparently at Fontenay, with Ralf Taison, son of Ralf the Angevin, which were granted by the latter to the abbey of Fontenay before Oct. 1049." [Complete Peerage]

Robert married Hadeguisa. Hadeguisa died after 1107. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Or, more familiarly, Hawise. Died as a nun at Caen.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Abt 1118

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Sheriff of Worcestershire from about 1069 to 1108. Domesday tenant of Upton Warren and Salwarpe, Worcestershire.

From Wikipedia (accessed 28 May 2021):

Urse d'Abetot [...] was a Norman who followed King William I to England, and became Sheriff of Worcestershire and a royal official under him and Kings William II and Henry I. He was a native of Normandy and moved to England shortly after the Norman Conquest of England in 1066, and was appointed sheriff in about 1069. Little is known of his family in Normandy, who were not prominent. Although Urse's lord in Normandy was present at the Battle of Hastings, there is no evidence that Urse took part in the invasion of England in 1066.

Urse built the earliest form of Worcester Castle in Worcester, which encroached on the cathedral cemetery there, earning him a curse from the Archbishop of York. Urse helped to put down a rebellion against King William I in 1075, and quarrelled with the Church in his county over the jurisdiction of the sheriffs. He continued in the service of William's sons after the king's death, and was appointed constable under William II and marshal under Henry I. Urse was known for his acquisitiveness, and during William II's reign was considered second only to Ranulf Flambard, another royal official, in his rapacity. Urse's son succeeded him as sheriff but was subsequently exiled, thus forfeiting the office. Through his daughter, Urse is an ancestor of the Beauchamp family, who eventually became Earls of Warwick.

Urse married Alice. Alice was born about 1056 in Derbyshire, England; died after 1108. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1118

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Comte de Réthel.

Ancestral Roots (8th ed.) has Hugh de Rethel as a son, rather than a grandson, of the Manasses whose wife was Yvette/Judith de Roucy. We are following Leo van de Pas, who cites Europäische Stammtafeln.

Hugh married Melisende de Montlhéry. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 1069

Notes:

Comte de Namur. Died as a lay brother. Note that it's the Abbey of Floreffe, in what is now Belgium, not "Florette, France" as several online sources have it.

Godfrey married Sibylle de Château Porcéan about 1087. Sibylle (daughter of Roger and Ermengarde) was born in of Château Porcéan, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Comte de Réthel. Known to have been married to a woman called "Judiz" in 1081. Many genealogies identify her as Judith (or Yvette) de Roucy, a daughter of Giselbert, Count of Roucy who died in the 990s, and a sister of Ebles de Roucy (d. 1033) and Liétaud (or Letald, Letard) de Roucy of Marle. Many other genealogies make this de Roucy woman a second wife, after Doda, of the earlier count Manasses, this Manasses's father. Some attach her to an alleged even earlier count Manasses. Nothing is really certain except that this Manasses was married to a "Judiz" in 1081.

Manasses married Judiz. Judiz was born about 1020. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Lord of Chevreuse; Lord of Chateaufort; Count of Corbeil.

From French-language Wikipedia (accessed 16 March 2014), translated by Google, not cleaned up:

The Notre-Dame-de-Bonne-Garde is a basilica confession Catholic, dedicated to St. Mary of Nazareth, located in the French town of Longpont-sur-Orge and the department of Essonne. It was preceded by a chapel dating back to the time of the Christianization of the Île-de-France, built in the oldest place of Marian devotion in the region: according to legend, the druids would be a venerated statue of the Virgin even before the passage of St. Denis, who told them that Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ , and that prophecy of Isaiah (7, 14) had already performed. Fragments of the statue of the Gauls are embedded in the statue of Notre-Dame-de-Bonne-Garde in the apse of the basilica.

It was founded in 1031 by Guy I first Montlhery and his wife Hodierne Gometz. Thirty years later, they built a priory and asked the bishop to offer church and priory to the Abbey of Cluny. Hodierne went to Cluny itself to pick the first twenty-two monks. None of the first subsidiary of Cluny in Paris region remains: the French Revolution annihilated. [...]

To 1030, Guy I er, lord of Montlhery, married Hodierne Gometz lady of La Ferte-Alais, and soon after their marriage, they conceived a project to replace the old chapel dedicated to the Virgin Mary by a large basilica. The choice of its location could not be fortuitous, because Guy and the Hodierne built on a slope, far enough from the castle in the middle of an uninhabited countryside. He could not act to perpetuate the tradition of the first sanctuary in the time of the Druids. The first stone was laid March 25, 1030 or 1031, for the feast of the Annunciation, by King Robert the Pious, in the presence of the Bishop of Paris, Imbert (or Humbert) Vergy. A legend is attached to the construction of the basilica. Hodierne, very pious, humble, have personally participated in the work. She put herself in the water starts to help Masons. To facilitate its work, she asked the local blacksmith to provide an iron bar which help to better carry the buckets. Stupid blacksmith, influenced by his wicked wife, gave him derisively, a red-hot bar. Hodierne was spared any burns, and the blacksmith and his wife died in the year. The miraculous iron was mounted atop a column from a temple of Mercury. The "Red Cross iron" is stored at the bottom of the basilica since 1931, a replica was placed in an authentic location. The three protagonists, Hodierne, the blacksmith and the shrew were represented, carved in stone, on the bases of fallen arches of the third bay of the nave (the blacksmith and Hodierne north, the woman in the south). In 1061, the church approaches its completion, which appears from the terms of the charter LI cartulaire Longpont. Through this charter, Bishop Geoffroy de Boulogne found to have received the request for Guy I first Montlhery give the church of the Benedictine monks. According to the will of Guy Geoffroy chose the abbey of Cluny, which establishes a priory Longpont: this was the first Cluniac establishment in Paris. The number of monks is fixed at twenty-two, but sometimes reached thirty.

Following the donation, Hodierne went to Cluny to persuade the Abbot Hugh of Cluny monks send Longpont He hesitated at first, since his abbey still had no branch in the region. It was perhaps these qu'Hodierne brought a chalice and a gold chasuble precious, that made him decline. Hugues therefore sent twenty-two monks, and to accommodate the Guy I st and Hodierne did build a convent at their own expense, south transept. It guarantees the monastery exemption from manorial justice. The monks built a farm south-west of the church, and cleared the hill Longpont. Prior to the first named Robert, and died in 1066. To 1074, then qu'Hodierne sees the end of his life approaching, Guy decided to take the habit at the time of being widowed. Hodierne died on April 7, but the exact year is unknown. It is locally regarded as a saint, but has not yet been canonized. First buried at the Western gate, his remains were transferred to the transept in 1641. A fountain took the name Hodierne and feverish there implored healing. Guy lived until early 1080, and his tomb remained visible until the uprooting of tiles that were paved church in 1793.

Guy married Hodierne de Gometz in 1030. Hodierne (daughter of Guillaume de Gometz de Bures) died after 1062; was buried in Abbaye de Longpont, Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also called Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté.

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Comte de Namur.

Albert married Ida about 1067. Ida died on 31 Jul 1102. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"Ida the wife of Albert III of Namur may have belonged to the ducal family of Saxony, as often asserted, but her origin is not certain." [Peter Stewart, SGM, 17 Jun 2016]

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Comte de Château Porcéan.

Roger married Ermengarde. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]