Eleanor le Strange

Eleanor married Reynold de Grey before 31 Oct 1353. Reynold (son of Roger de Grey and Elizabeth de Hastings) was born about 1319 in of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 28 Jul 1388. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Ida Grey died on 1 Jun 1426; was buried in Cockayne Hatley, Bedfordshire, England.
2. Reynold Grey was born about 1362 in of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 30 Sep 1440.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 25 Jan 1306, of Blackmere, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England

Notes:

Also spelled Lestraunge. Summoned to Parliament by writ 23 Oct 1330 to 20 Apr 1344.

"John Lestrange, 2nd Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), JP (Salop 1332); fought at Crécy 1346; married as her 1st husband Ankaret (married 2nd Sir Thomas de Ferrers and died 8 Oct 1361), daughter of William Boteler, of Wem, Salop, and died 21 July 1349." [Burke's Peerage]

John married Ankaret le Boteler before 20 May 1327. Ankaret (daughter of William le Boteler and Ela de Herdeburgh) died on 8 Oct 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"Ankaret (married 2nd Sir Thomas de Ferrers and died 8 Oct 1361), daughter of William Boteler, of Wem, Salop." [Burke's Peerage]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 24 Jan 1324
• Alternate death: 1 Feb 1324
• Alternate death: 23 Jan 1325

Notes:

Seneschal of Aquitaine, 26 May 1322. Field commander for Edwards I and II in Scotland and France. Summoned to Parliament by writ 4 Mar 1309.

"Fulk Lestrange, 1st Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), so created by writ of summons to Parliament 4 March 1308/9; served in Edward I's and Edward II's Scottish campaigns 1298-1323; Seneschal of Aquitaine 1322; married Eleanor (predeceased her husband), daughter of John Giffard, of Brimsfield, Glos. 1st Lord (Baron) Giffard, and died by 23 Jan 1323/4." [Burke's Peerage]

Fulke married Eleanor Giffard before 1301. Eleanor (daughter of John Giffard and Maud de Clifford) was born in 1275 in of Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England; died before 23 Jan 1324. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1325

Notes:

Eleanor (predeceased her husband), daughter of John Giffard, of Brimsfield, Glos. 1st Lord (Baron) Giffard. [Burke's Peerage]

Notes:

Also spelled Le Botiller. "Her served as a Justce of Assize, a Conservator of the Peace, and Commander of levies, in addition to being an MP." [Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, citation details below.]

"William le Botiler of Wem and Oversley, next brother and heir, born 11 June 1274. He had livery of his brother's lands 8 April 1296, and having served in the wars with Scotland, was summoned to Parliament 10 March 1307/8 to 10 October 1325, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiller (or sometimes le Butiller) de Wemme, whereby he be held to have become Lord le Botiller. He m. 1stly, before 1298, Beatrice, who was living in 1305-06. He m., 2ndly, before February 1315/6, Ela daughter and coheir of Roger of Herdeburgh. He d. 1334, before 14 September. His widow was living 5 July 1343, and d. s.p.m." [Complete Peerage II:232]

William married Ela de Herdeburgh before 1310. Ela (daughter of Roger de Herdeburgh and Ida de Odingsells) died after 5 Jul 1343. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 13 Oct 1276

Notes:

"Robert Lestrange; acquired Chawton after death of his brother Hamon, and Wrockwardine in the latter's lifetime; married Eleanor, daughter and coheir of William de Blancminster (modern Whitechurch, Salop) and predeceased her 12 Oct 1276." [Burke's Peerage]

Crusader about 1270, according to AR.

Robert married Eleanor Blancminster about 1250. Eleanor (daughter of William Blancminster and Eve Fitzwarine) was born in of Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died after 1276. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1300
• Alternate death: Abt 1304
• Alternate death: 1306, Ercall Magna, Shropshire, England

Notes:

This family of Whitchurch in Shropshire is also called Blanchminster, Blauminster, Blancmostiers, Whitchurch, de Albo Monasterio, and "the Warennes of Whitchurch."

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 29 May 1299, Boyton, Wiltshire, England

Notes:

From Complete Peerage V:639:

Sir John Giffard, of Brimpsfield, Badgeworth, Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, and Rockhampton, co. Gloucester, Elston, Orcheston St. George, Sherrington, Ashton, and Broughton Gifford, Wilts, son and heir of Sir Elis Giffard, of Brimpsfield, &c. (who died shortly before 2 May 1248) (c1), by his 2nd wife, Alice, sister of Sir John Mautravers, of Lytchet Matravers, Dorset (a). He was aged 16, or 16 and more, at his father's death (b1). With several other barons, he seized the Bishop of Hereford, 11 June 1263, and took him to Eardisley Castle. On 18 August following, he was among those who made a treaty with Edward, the King's son. He had just been appointed, 7 August, by the advice of the Magnates of the Council, Keeper of the castle of St. Briavel and the forest of Dean, during pleasure, and he was pardoned, 18 September following, for all trespasses committed by reason of non-observance of the Provisions of Oxford. He was appointed joint Keeper of the counties of Gloucester, Worcester, and Hereford, 24 December 1263. In 1264 he belonged to the baronial party, and in April, being in command at Kenilworth, he surprised and destroyed Warwick Castle, taking the Earl and Countess prisoners. On 14 May following he was at the battle of Lewes, where he was taken prisoner early in the day, but he had already captured William la Zuche. He was one of those prohibited, 16 February 1264/5, from taking part in the tournament at Dunstaple, and ordered to attend a Council on the morrow of Ash Wednesday [19 February] following. He changed sides together with the Earl of Gloucester and others, and was in the King's army at the battle of Evesham, 4 August 1265. In consideration of his services at this battle, he was pardoned, 9 Oct. 1265, for having adhered to Simon de Montfort at the battle of Lewes, and for all other trespasses committed up to the said 9 October. He was one of the commissioners empowered, 24 April 1274, to make a truce at the ford of Montgomery, in a month from Easter [29 April], between Llewelyn ab Gruffyd, Prince of Wales, and Humphrey de Bohun of Brecknock. On 6 November 1281 he had licence to hunt wolves, with his own hounds, throughout all the King's forests in England. He was appointed Keeper of the castle of Llandovery, co. Carmarthen, 9 April 1282, and of that of Builth, co. Brecknock, 14 October following, both during pleasure. On 18 November 1283 the King granted him, in fee, the commote of Iscennen, co. Carmarthen, to hold by the service of a knight's fee: and, on 8 February 1289/90, the castle of Dynevor in that county, for life, as a refuge for himself and his men: he was ordered to deliver this castle to Walter de Pederton, 29 July 1297. He was present at the assemblies held at Berwick in October and November 1297, to discuss the various claims to the Crown of Scotland. He was Captain of Podensac in Gascony, which town he surrendered to the French, in 1294/5. He was summoned for Military Service from 18 July 1257 to 7 May 1299, to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283, to attend the King at Salisbury, 26 January 1296/7, to a Military Council, 20 August 1297,and to Parliament from 24 June 1295. to 10 April 1299, by writs directed Johanni Giffard, or Gyffard, occasionally with the additionde Brimmesfeld', whereby he is held to have become Lord Giffard.

He was affianced, at the age of 4 years, to Aubrey de Caumville (who was about the same age), but he did not marry her (b2). He married, 1stly, Maud [c2], widow of Sir William Lungespee, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7], and daughter and heir of Sir Walter de Clifford, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards. He married, 2ndly, in 1286, Margaret, widow of Sir John de Neville, of Hallingbury, Wethersfield, Great Totham, Great Wakering and Langharn, Essex, Alphington, Devon, &c. who died shortly before 20 May 1282. He died at Boyton, Wilts, 29 May, and was buried 11 June 1299 in Malmesbury Abbey. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 1 August 1299, and on 5 August she was assigned the manors of Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, Elston, and Broughton Gifford. She died shortly before 13 December 1338.

(c1) In 1221 this Elis stated that "Osbertus Giffard, antecessor suusqui venit ad conquestum Angl' tenuit manerium de Bimesfeld' . . . et post eum Elias flius suus . . . et post eum Elias filius illius Elieet pater suus." At least one generation is here omitted. The Elis living in 1221 was son and heir of Elis III, by Maud, daughter of Morice fitz Robert fitz Hardinge, of Berkeley: which Elis III owed 100 marks 'pro fine terre sue' in 1166 and died before Michaelmas 1190, when William le Mareschal owed 140 marks for the custody of the lands of Elis Giffard. Elis III was son and heir of Elis II (who became a monk in Gloucester Abbey), by Berta (living 1167), sister of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford and Glasbury, and daughter of Richard fitzPonce. In 1130 Elis II rendered account of 100 marks of silver for the relief of his father's lands, being son and heir of Elis I, by Ala, his wife. Before 1096 Elis I had succeeded his father Osbern Giffard, the Domesday tenant of Brimpsfield, Stoke, Rockhampton, Elston, Orcheston, etc.

(a) John Mautravers gave the manor of Ashton and the advowson of the church of St. Peter at Codford, Wilts, to Elis Giffard in free marriage with Alice his sister, to hold to them and their heirs of their bodies, by the service of a knight's fee.

(b1) "Elias Giffard". He held the manor of Winterburne (now Elston), of the King in chief, as the head of his barony; the manor of Sherrington pertaining to that barony; and that of Ashton, held ofJ ohn Mautravers in free marriage. Heir [name cut away] his son aged 16 [rest cut away]. The proof of age of this heir, John Giffard, is undated and defective, but it states that he was born on the day of St. Wulstan (19 Jan).

(b2) So the proof of age mentioned above. She was probably the Aubrey de Canville, a nun of Polesworth, who was elected Abbess in Dec 1276 or in the following month. The marriage was contracted at Arrow, co. Warwick, and she must have been a daughter of Thomas de Camville, of Arrow, and a descendant of Aubrey Marmion, Lady of Arrow, wife of William de Caumville.

John married Maud de Clifford before 10 Mar 1271. Maud (daughter of Walter IV de Clifford and Margaret ferch Llywelyn) was born in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England; died between 1282 and 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1 Dec 1281
• Alternate death: 1282

Notes:

"He [John Giffard] married, 1stly, Maud, widow of Sir William Lungespee, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7), and daughter and heir of Sir Walter de Clifford, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards." [Complete Peerage V:639-44]

[footnote in CP to the above:] Maud Lungespee notified the King that John Giffard had abducted her from her manor of Canford, Dorset, and taken her against her will to his castle of Brimpsfield, and there detained her. John appeared before the King, and professed himself ready to prove that he did not abduct her against her will, and offered a fine of 300 marks for the marriage already contracted, as it was said, between them, provided she made no further complaint against him. On 10 March 1270/1 the King ordained that if she were not content, the said fine should be void,and John should stand his trial at a month from Easter. And as she was too unwell to appear before the King, commissioners were sent to inquire into the truth of the matter, and to certify the King thereof. John and Maud, and her Ist husband, William Lungespee, were all descended from Richard fitz Ponce. Why John Giffard should have referred to himself as being of the race of Le Lungespee as in the proof of age mentioned above he is said to have done--is not explicable; unless, indeed, the sobriquet was derived from the family of Clifford.

Notes:

Complete Peerage II: 231:

"William le Botiler of Wem, Salop, son & heir of Ralph le Botiler of Oversley, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter & heir of William Pantulf of Wem. He succeeded his father shortly before 3 July 1281 He was summoned cum equis et armis, 24 May 1282 and 14 March 1282/3, and to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 July 1283, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiler (or le Botiller) de Wemme.

"He married, after 2 October 1261, Angharad, daughter of Griffith ap Madoc ap Griffith Maelor, Lord of Bromfield, Dinas Bran and Yale (now co. Denbigh), i.e. of Lower Powis, by Emma, daughter of Henry AUDLEY, of Heleigh, co. Stafford. He died shortly before 11 December 1283. His widow, to whom dower was ordered to be assigned, 8 February 1283/4, was living 22 July 1308."

Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages:

"William Boteler, who, in the lifetime of his father, had m. Ankaret, niece of James de Aldithley, died, however, in a very few years after inheriting his paternal property (anno 1283), leaving three sons,John, Gawine, and William, and was s. by his eldest, John Boteler."

William married Ankaret ferch Gruffudd after 2 Oct 1261. Ankaret (daughter of Gruffudd ap Madoc and Emma de Audley) was born about 1248; died after 22 Jun 1308. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also spelled Angharad.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: of Prilleston, Norfolk, England
• Alternate death: Bef 1285, Harborough Magna, Rugby, Warwickshire, England
• Alternate death: Bef 1296

Roger married Ida de Odingsells. Ida (daughter of William de Odingsells and Ela fitz Walter) was born about 1265 in of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died after 1 Mar 1322. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1270
• Alternate death: Aft 8 Apr 1325

Notes:

Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum (1846) says that this Ida, widow of John de Clinton, was a prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1300. VCH Warwick 2 says that "Lady Isabel Clinton" succeeded Agnes as prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1325. The register of Thomas Cobham, Bishop of Worcester, 1317-1327, names "the noble lady Ysabella de Clyntone" as one of the several parties to a dispute he adjudicated at Wroxhall in 1323, but says nothing about Isabel becoming prioress, nor anything to identify her as the Ida who was the widow of John de Clinton who died in 1311. Additionally, while several records exist of the widow Ida in the 1320s, none of them make any reference to her being at Wroxhall, as a prioress or not. As John Watson pointed out on SGM, 8 and 9 Sep 2017, the likeliest solution to the above is that Dugdale was mistaken, and that the Clinton widow of Wroxhall priory was someone else, perhaps the otherwise-unknown widow of John de Clinton of Coleshill who died in 1316.

"He [John Clinton] married, probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'Odingsells, 1st daughter of William d'Odingsells, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2." [Complete Peerage III:12-13]

Douglas Richardson in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2001, adds a first husband for Ida:

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Ida de Odingsells's Herdeburgh and Clinton Marriages: Further Evidence
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-09-27 08:31:32 PST

Dear Newsgroup:

Two days ago I announced the discovery that Ida de Odingsells, a descendant of King Henry II, married (lst) Roger de Herdeburgh (died c. 1284), by whom she had a daughter, Ela de Herdeburgh, who left many descendants. Previously Ida was only known to have had a marriage about 1290 to John de Clinton, 1st Lord Clinton (died c. 1310). Following my post, Rosie Bevan kindly provided a citation which confirmed that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was in fact named Ida.

Since my first post, I've located an informative article on the Herdeburgh family which appeared in Norfolk Archaeology, 30 (1952): 19-25. That article cites two documents, one dated 1284, the other 1286, which establish beyond doubt that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was named Ida and that Ida, as Roger's widow, held the manor of Prilleston, Norfolk (a Herdeburgh manor) following his death. The article further states that Prilleston was eventually conveyed by Ida de Herdeburgh's heirs to her grandson, Walter de Hopton, Knt. This confirms that that Prilleston stayed in the family past Ida's death about 1328.

As for other evidence that widow Ida de Herdeburgh married John de Clinton, I found elsewhere that Prilleston, Norfolk was held in 1316 by "Idonia de Clynton" [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 478]. Idonia de Clynton can be none other than Ida de Clinton, then a widow for the second time.

Best always,
Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1190

Notes:

Constable of Montgomery Castle 1236; Sheriff of Shropshire and Staffordshire 1236; Justiciar of Chester 1240.

"John Lestrange III, son and heir. In 1213 he attended upon the King to pay a debt on behalf of his father, and in 1214 he was serving in Poitou. In 1219 he was conducting an enquiry into forest matters at Shrewsbury. In 1225 he was directed to assist in conducting to Gloucester the fifteenth collected in Staffs and Salop. On 25 May 1231 the King granted to him and his heirs the manor of Wrockwardine. In 1232, and frequently thereafter, he was appointed to see that the truce with Llewelin was observed on both sides. In 1235 he was Constable of Montgomery. On 24 October 1236 he was appointed Sheriff of Salop and Staffs. Late in 1240 or early in 1241 he was appointed Justice of Chester. In 1248 he was about to go on pilgrimage to Pontigny. In 1249 he had a grant to himself and his heirs of a market and fair at Knockin. In March 1257/8 and again in August 1260 he was summoned to Chester, in October 1261 to London, and in January 1262/3 to Hereford and in May to Worcester, in connection with the disturbances in Wales. He is said to have married Lucy, daughter of Robert Tregoz. He died before 26 March 1269." [Complete Peerage XII-1:350-1]

John married Lucy de Tregoz. Lucy (daughter of Robert de Tregoz and Sibyl de Ewyas) died after 1294. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"He [John Lestrange] is said to have married Lucy, daughter of Robert Tregoz." [Complete Peerage XII/1:350-1]

CP uses the "is said to have married" formulation, above. Richardson's Royal Ancestry, in the entry TREGOZ 3 (Sir Robert de Tregoz m. Juliane de Cantelowe), says "they had one son, John, Knt. [Lord Tregoz], and allegedly one daughter, Lucy (said to be wife of John le Strange, of Knockin, Shropshire." But having her be the daughter of that particular Robert de Tregoz doesn't work chronologically at all; this alleged Tregoz descent is only plausible if we make her the daughter of his father, Robert de Tregoz who m. Sibyl de Ewyas.

(Note that AR8 shows this Lucy's parentage the same way we do.)

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1273

Notes:

This family of Whitchurch in Shropshire is also called Blanchminster, Blauminster, Blancmostiers, Whitchurch, de Albo Monasterio, and "the Warennes of Whitchurch."

William married Eve Fitzwarine. Eve (daughter of Fulk III Fitzwarine and Maud le Vavasour) died after 1281. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1249

Notes:

"Ivor West stated, in June 2002, that Elis IV and his sister Bertha were the children of Elis III by an unknown wife, not by Maud." [Chris Phillips, Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage.]

From Complete Peerage V:639:

Sir John Giffard, of Brimpsfield, Badgeworth, Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, and Rockhampton, co. Gloucester, Elston, Orcheston St. George, Sherrington, Ashton, and Broughton Gifford, Wilts, son and heir of Sir Elis Giffard, of Brimpsfield, &c. (who died shortly before 2 May 1248) (c), by his 2nd wife, Alice, sister of Sir John Mautravers, of Lytchet Matravers, Dorset.

(c) In 1221 this Elis stated that "Osbertus Giffard, antecessor suusqui venit ad conquestum Angl' tenuit manerium de Bimesfeld' . . . et post eum Elias flius suus . . . et post eum Elias filius illius Elieet pater suus." At least one generation is here omitted. The Elis living in 1221 was son and heir of Elis III, by Maud, daughter of Morice fitz Robert fitz Hardinge, of Berkeley: which Elis III owed 100 marks 'pro fine terre sue' in 1166 and died before Michaelmas 1190, when William le Mareschal owed 140 marks for the custody of the lands of Elis Giffard. Elis III was son and heir of Elis II (who became a monk in Gloucester Abbey), by Berta (living 1167), sister of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford and Glasbury, and daughter of Richard fitz Ponce. In 1130 Elis II rendered account of 100 marks of silver for the relief of his father's lands, being son and heir of Elis I, by Ala, his wife. Before 1096 Elis I had succeeded his father Osbern Giffard, the Domesday tenant of Brimpsfield, Stoke, Rockhampton, Elston, Orcheston, etc.

Elias married Alice Mautravers before 1231. Alice (daughter of John Mautravers and Hawise) was born in of Lytchett Mautravers, Dorset, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Complete Peerage V:640:

Sir John Giffard, of Brimpsfield, Badgeworth, Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, and Rockhampton, co. Gloucester, Elston, Orcheston St. George, Sherrington, Ashton, and Broughton Gifford, Wilts, son and heir of Sir Elis Giffard, of Brimpsfield, &c. (who died shortly before 2 May 1248), by his 2nd wife, Alice, sister of Sir John Mautravers, of Lytchet Matravers, Dorset (a).

(a) John Mautravers gave the manor of Ashton and the advowson of the church of St. Peter at Codford, Wilts, to Elis Giffard in free marriage with Alice his sister, to hold to them and their heirs of their bodies, by the service of a knight's fee.

Notes:

Sheriff of Herefordshire 1215-16. Constable of Carmarthen and Cardigan castles in 1228. Fought in Ireland, 1210, and in Wales, 1257, 1258, 1260, and 1263.

Called Walter III de Clifford by many of the sources cited here, but Peter Stewart (citation details below) says that this represents a conflation of III and IV, and that it was IV whose second wife was Margred ferch Llywellyn of Wales who was the mother of his heiress.

Walter married Margaret ferch Llywelyn before 2 Nov 1234. Margaret (daughter of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and (One of the several mistresses of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth)) died in 1265. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1268

Notes:

Also known as Marared; Margred; Margaret of Wales; Margaret of North Wales.

Notes on the parentage of Gwladus and Margaret, daughters of Llwelyn ap Fawr:

Complete Peerage (IX: 276) and Royal Ancestry both give Gwladus as a daughter of Joan of England. Royal Ancestry gives Margaret as an illegitimate daughter of Llywelyn.

The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography says that Joan was "probably" the mother of Gwladus and Margaret.

In The American Genealogist 41:99 (1965), Walter Lee Sheppard notes that "DNB's account gives Joan only the son David with Helen as probable. Lloyd's History of Wales [...] includes a chart so drawn as to make the maternity of the daughters questionable, and omits Angharad altogether. Prof. Thomas Jones Pierce in his article on Joan in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography names David, but does not mention the daughters at all; but then his cited sources are ony DNB and Lloyd's History of Wales in earlier editions. The correspondence of the writer with Sir Anthony Richard Wagner, Garter Principal King of Arms, however, indicates that all these daughters, with the exception of Gwladys, have been accepted by Major Francis Jones, best known authority on Welsh pedigrees, and based on British Museum Manuscript Add. 15041, on folio 12a, which shows Joan to be mother of David, Gwenlian, Angharad, and Margaret. It is interesting to note that [Complete Peerage] 9:276, under Mortimer of Wigmore, identifies Gwaldys as Joan's daughter."

Later in the same publication, TAG 41:22, Sheppard provides an addendum, first quoting a letter from E. D. Jones, Librarian of the National Library of Wales: "Robert Vaughan of Hengwrt, a reliable seventeenth century authority, makes Gwladys full sister to Gruffydd, therefore the daughter of Tangwystl. He makes Gwenllian, Angharad and Marred (Margaret) to be daughters of Joan. I am inclined to accept the view that Gwladys Ddu was the daughter of Tangwystl, but in the absence of contemporary records it is not wise to be too dogmatic." Sheppard then continues: "Sir Anthony Richard Wagner KCVO, Garter Principal King of Arms, in a letter to the writer dated 24 Sept. 1964, states that he would accept Margaret as Joan's daughter and, presumably, the other daughters, except Gwladys. He refers to Major Francis Jones and the previously cited British Museum Additional MS, which shows Joan to be mother of David, and points out that the chronology also fits."

Peter C. Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies (1974-83, searchable here; use the search term "Gruffudd ap Cynan 04"), gives Tangwystl as the mother of Gwladus and Joan as the probable mother of Margaret.

William Addams Reitwiesner's "The Children of Joan, Princess of North Wales," in The Genealogist 1:80, Spring 1980, argues that we have no certain basis for regarding Joan as the mother of any of Llywelyn's daughters.

On 9 April 1999, Douglas Richardson posted the following to SGM: "As for the Welsh tradition that any son, legitimate or otherwise, could make a claim to succeed Llywelyn, you may recall that Llywelyn and his son, David, went out of their way to have David recognized as Llywelyn's sole heir, to the exclusion of Llywelyn's illegitimate sons. To accomplish this, they had Llywelyn's wife, Joan, legitimized. The legitimization of Joan was no small feat seeing she was surely born out of wedlock to King John's mistress. Also, they sent David to England to be recognized as Llywelyn's sole heir by the English overlord, David's own uncle, King Henry III. Interestingly, the records of this trip show that David was accompanied by none other than his sister, Gladys. Due to the nature of this trip, it seems odd that Gladys would accompany David on this trip, UNLESS she too was a legitimate child of Llywelyn and Joan. These two pieces of evidence convince me that Gladys was legitimate."

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Aft 1207, of Wem, Shropshire, England
• Alternate death: 3 Jul 1281

Notes:

"He adhered to Henry III against the Barons and was rewarded with a grant of the Manor of Kington, Warwickshire, belonging to Nicholas de Segrave, 30 Sept 1266. He was summoned for military service in Wales, 1277." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

Ralph married Maud Pantolf before 1245. Maud (daughter of William Pantolf and Hawise Fitzwarine) was born in of Wem, Shropshire, England; died before 6 May 1289. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1291

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 7 Dec 1269, Dinas Bran, Denbighshire, Wales

Notes:

Also spelled Gryffydd ap Madog. Called "Maelor." Lord of Bromfield.

Also spelled Gryffydd ap Madog. Called "Maelor." Lord of Bromfield and Dinas Bran; Prince of Powys Fadog (northern Powys). "In 1257, he switched his attachment to the English crown following the defeat of Henry III of England in a campaign against Llewelyn ap Gruffydd and promised his allegiance to Llewelyn. Thereupon he was obliged to confine himself to his castle of Dinas Bran." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

Gruffudd married Emma de Audley. Emma (daughter of Henry of Aldithley and Bertrade de Mainwaring) was born about 1218 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died after 22 Dec 1270. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1285

Hugh married Isabel de Craft. Isabel (daughter of Roger de Craft and Cecily de Turville) was born in of Pailton, Warwickshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1235, of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England
• Alternate death: 19 Apr 1295

Notes:

Justiciar of Ireland 19 Oct 1294 - 19 Apr 1295.

William married Ela fitz Walter. Ela (daughter of Walter fitz Robert and Ida Longespée) died after 2 Jul 1295. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Aft 7 Jan 1311

Notes:

Also called Ela Fitz Robert.

Incorrectly shown by Blomefield (citation details below) as a daughter of her grandparents, William Longespee and Ela of Salisbury.

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• Alternate death: Jan 1223

Notes:

"John le Strange II, son and heir. In 1196/7 he acquired rights in land at Knockin, Salop, from his cousins, daughters of his uncle Guy. In 1198 he took the place of his cousin Ralph, who was ill, in the King's servlce. In 1204 the King asked Llewelin, Prince of North Wales, to grant John a safe conduct to go to and return from him. In 1206 he had sent his knights overseas. In 1212 he was concerned in the management of Album Monasterium; and was returned as holding the manors of Nessa nd Cheswardine of the grift of King Henry II. In 1213 he was given the custody of the castle of Carreghova; and in 1214 was sent to Llewelin to exact an oath to keep the truce. In 1216 the King committed to him the counties of Staffs and Salop during pleasure, and directed that he was to be treated as sheriff; and in the same year he was to have the manor of Kidderminster during pleasure. In March 1217/8 he was, with Hugh de Mortimer and Henry de Audley, directed to give safe-conduct to the Magnates of North Wales, that they might do homage at Worcester; and in the same month the sheriff of Staffs and Salop was directed to give him an aid from the counties for strengthening his castle at Knockin. On 7 June 1218 he was present at the dedication of Worcester Cathedral. In January 1223/4 he was granted a market at his manor of Hunstanton. On 29 August 1226, as John Lestrange senior, he was granted a pardon for debts and the vill of Wrockwardine for his maintenance during pleasure, for his services to the King and his father; and on 2 September he was appointed to sit with the Bishop of Hereford and others at Album Monasterium to accept the surrender of lands by the Prince of North Wales. He married Amice. He was dead by 20 January 1233/4, when his son did homage." [Complete Peerage XII/1:349-50]

John married Amice. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: of Tregots, Normandy, France
• Alternate death: Bef 29 Apr 1215

Notes:

Bailiff of Cotentin 1180; Sheriff of Wiltshire 1191-2; Keeper of Salisbury and Clarendon Castles; Warden of Gavray, Neaufle, and Similly Castles.

From Complete Peerage 12/2:16-18:

Observations.--There can be little doubt that the families of Tregoz, centred in East Anglia and south-east England in the 12th century, were related, and it is very probable that the Tregoz lords of Ewyas Harold, co. Hereford, were also connected with these families. The name comes from Troisgots: Manche, arr. St. LÙ, cant. Tessy-sur-Vire.

Robert de Tregoz [...] was active in Normandy during the reigns of Richard I and John. He was with the King there in 1190 and during the years 1194-99, being called the King's Steward in 1194; and was bailiff of the Cotentin in 1195 and 1197, and under John. An agreement made between King Richard and the Count of Flanders in 1197 was witnessed by Robert, who in 1200 was at the determination of the bounds between Evreux and Neufbourg after the peace between King John and Philip Augustus. During the years 1200-04 he was warden of the castles of Gavray, Neaufle and Similly, and custodian of the lands of Simon Pevilene; and in November 1204 he went on royal business to Flanders. He remained faithful to the English Crown after 1204, and his escheated lands in Trègots, Favarches and St. Romphaire were granted by Philip Augustus to Miles de Lèvis, November 1218. Robert went to the continent on royal business with William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, in the spring of 1205. He was also active in England, holding many offices during the reign of Richard I. The castle of Salisbury was in his care, 1190-94, and again in 1198 and 1199; he was keeper of the royal houses at Clarendon, 1190-93, and sheriff of Wiltshire in 1191. He farmed Gastard, in Corsham, Wilts, 1191-94, was granted money from Warminster in 1193, and farmed the lands of Geoffrey Hose in Wilts, 1197-1200. He also farmed Bristol, 1196-99. Robert answered for the lands of Alan de Hairun in 1200, was granted estates, in payment of the King's debts to him, at Pencombe, co. Hereford, in 1205, and in the following year he received the manor of Chelworth, Somerset.

He married, possibly in 1198, Sibyl, daughter and heir of Robert de Ewyas, lord of Ewyas Harold, co. Hereford, by Pernel (Petronilla), his wife (living 28 October 1204.) He died some time before 29 April 1215. Sibyl married, 2ndly, before 13 February 1216/7, Roger, son of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford Castle, co. Hereford. She died shortly before 1 July 1236.

Robert married Sibyl de Ewyas about 1198. Sibyl (daughter of Robert de Ewyas and Pernel Scudamore) died in 1236 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1 Jul 1236
• Alternate death: 1 Jul 1236

Notes:

Or Ewias.

Notes:

This family of Whitchurch in Shropshire is also called Blanchminster, Blauminster, Blancmostiers, Whitchurch, de Albo Monasterio, and "the Warennes of Whitchurch."

William married Emma. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: Bef 1178, of Lambourn, Hungerford, Berkshire, England
• Alternate death: Aft Oct 1250
• Alternate death: Between 1256 and 1257
• Alternate death: 1258

Notes:

Subject of the medieval romance Fouke le Fitz Waryne, possible basis for at least part of the Robin Hood legend.

"This Fulk had been outlawed, but was pardoned, 15 Nov. 1203, his castle of Whittington being restored to him, 17 Oct. 1204." [Complete Peerage]

Ravilious has this particular Fulk dying over two decades before many other sources do; his reasoning is set forth here.

Fulk married Maud le Vavasour before 1 Oct 1207. Maud (daughter of Robert le Vavasour and (Unknown) de Birkin) died before 1226. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Antiquities of Shropshire by the Rev. R. W. Eyton [Vol. VII, p. 73]:

Maud le Vavasour was daughter of Robert, granddaughter of William, and sister of John le Vavasour. I think her mother was a daughter of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn; for it appears that "Robert le Vavasour gave his share (it was a fourth) of the Vill of Bolton with Matilda le Count, his daughter, in frank marriage to Theobald Walter, and that the said Matilda afterwards gave it to Roger de Burkyn, her Uncle." (Sallay Register, Dugd. MSS. D. 2.)

It is not difficult to say why Maud le Vavasour is called Matilda le Count in the above extract. The names Vavasour and Count are treated as equivalent. It is less easy to determine why the Fitz Warin Chronicle calls the same person Maude de Caus. I, however, suggest an explanation.--

The real Maud de Caus, for there was such a person living at the time of Maud le Vavasour's marriage, was probably her Grandmother. She was daughter and sole heir of that Robert de Chaus who figures in 1165 as a great Derbyshire Feudatory (Liber Niger, I. 225), and who was hereditary Warden of the Forests of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. Maud de Caus was wife, first of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn, and secondly of Ralph fitz Stephen. By her first husband she had issue John de Birkyn, who, on her death in 1224, succeeded to her great inheritance. I think that Roger de Birkyn above-mentioned, and * * * de Birkyn wife of Robert le Vavasour, were also children of Maude de Caus by her first husband.

Maud le Vavasour, thus supposed to be her Granddaughter, had two children by her first husband, Theobald Walter. These were Theobald Walter (II.) and Matilda. Matilda was entrusted by King John to the guardianship of Gilbert fitz Reinfrid; but in 1220 King Henry III. apprises William de Lancaster (Gilbert fitz Reinfrid's son), that Theobald fitz Theobald was now to have charge of his Sister (Pat. 4 Hen. III, m. 5). This Writ, coupled with another of July 1221 (Claus. I. 463), shows that in 1220-1 Theobald Walter (II.) attained his majority.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: of Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

Notes:

"Elis III m. Maud, daughter of Morice fitz Robert fitz Hardinge, of Berkeley: which Elis III owed 100 marks 'pro fine terre sue' in 1166 and died before Michaelmas 1190, when William le Mareschal owed 140 marks for the custody of the lands of Elis Giffard. Elis III was son and heir of Elis II (who became a monk in Gloucester Abbey), by Berta (living 1167), sister of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford and Glasbury, and daughter of Richard fitz Ponce. In 1130 Elis II rendered account of 100 marks of silver for the relief of his father's lands, being son and heir of Elis I, by Ala, his wife. Before 1096 Elis I had succeeded his father Osbern Giffard, the Domesday tenant of Brimpsfield, Stoke, Rockhampton, Elston, Orcheston, etc." [Complete Peerage V:639, note (c)]

Elias married (Unknown wife of Elias III Giffard). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1221
• Alternate death: 1221

Notes:

Also called Malus Transitus, for reasons not clear to us.

"John Mautravers, brother of Walter, and eldest surviving son and heir of John; a knight of William, Earl Marshal, took part with the Barons in 1215, but returned to his allegiance in 1217; he was named in commissions in Dorset and Wilts, 1219 and August 1220; he was dead before the end of 1220. He married Hawise, who was living in 1222." [Complete Peerage VIII:578]

John married Hawise. Hawise died after 1221. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1222

Notes:

"The Great." Prince of Wales; Prince of Aberffraw; Lord of Snowden. Died as a Cistercian monk.

Llywelyn married (One of the several mistresses of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Joined the barons against John in 1216, but returned to fealty by 1217.

Ralph married Maud de Neufmarche. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 4 Feb 1233

Notes:

This Post-Em note on Jim Weber's site contains, after some brief snippets from various sources about William Pantulf, an interesting and well-sourced essay about William Pantulf's peculiar incompetence at being a medieval baron.

William married Hawise Fitzwarine before Jan 1226. Hawise (daughter of Fulk III Fitzwarine and Maud le Vavasour) was born in of Narborough, Blaby, Leicestershire, England; died after Jan 1233. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Prince of Powys Fadog (Northern Wales), 1191-1236. "He was buried at his own foundation of Valle Crucis, the last Cistercian monastery to be founded in Wales." [Dictionary of Welsh Biography, citation details below.]

Madog married Gwladus ferch Ithel ap Rhys ab Ifor ap Hywel ap Morgan Fychan ap Morgan Hir. Gwladus (daughter of Ithel ap Rhys) was born in of Gwent, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 19 Nov 1246

Notes:

Also called Henry de Audley; Aldithlegh.

Sheriff of Shrophsire and Staffordshire 1227-8, 1229-32.

"Henry of Aldithley, 2nd son of Adam of Aldithley, (who d. bet. 1203 and 1211) by Emma, daughter of Ralf fitz Orm, of Darlaston, Staffs; was b. about 1175; with his father, he was witness to a charter of Harvey Bagot in 1194. He bought large estates from Eleanor Malbank in 1214; in 1227 he acquired the manors of Edgmund and Newport, and in 1230 that of Ford, all in Salop, and all held by him direct from the Crown, though not by military or knight service. He was Under Sheriff of Salop and co. Stafford 1217-20, and Sheriff 1227-32; was in command of the Welsh Marches 1223-46. He built the castle of Heligh, co. Stafford; and Red Castle, Salop. In 1223 he founded Hulton Abbey. He was appointed Custodian of Chester and Beeston Castle, 22 June 1237, on the extinction of the the earldom of Chester. He m. in 1217, Bertred, daughter of Ralf Mainwaring, Seneschal of Chester. He d. in 1246, shortly bef. Nov. His widow was living in 1249. She was bur. in Hulton Abbey." [Complete Peerage I:337, as corrected in Volume XIV.]

From A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire:

"That this family of Alditheley, vulgarly called Audley," says Dugdale, "came to be great and eminent, the ensuing discourse will sufficiently manifest: but that the rise thereof was no higher than King John's time, and that the first who assumed this surname was a branch of that ancient and noble family of Verdon, whose chief seat was at Alton Castle in the northern part of Staffordshire, I am very inclined to believe; partly by reason that Henry had the inheritance of Alditheley given him by Nicholas de Verdon, who d. in the 16th Henry III [1232], or near that time; and partly for that he bore for his arms the same ordinary as Vernon did...so that probably the ancestor of this Henry first seated himself at Alditheley: for that there hath been an ancient mansion there, the large moat, northwards from the parish church there (somewhat less than a furlong, and upon the chief part of a fair ascent), do sufficiently manifest."

Henry de Alditheley, to whom Dugdale alludes above, being in great favour with Ranulph, Earl of Chester and Lincoln (the most powerful subject of England in his time), obtained from that nobleman a grant of Newhall in Cheshire with manors in Staffordshire and other parts--and for his adhesion to King John, in that monarch's struggle with the insurrectionary barons, a royal grant of the lordship o fStorton in Warwickshire, part of the possessions of Roger de Summerville. In the first four years of King Henry III [1216-1220], he executed the office of sheriff for the counties of Salop and Stafford as deputy for his patron, the great Earl Ranulph. In the 10th of Henry III [1226], this Henry de Alditheley was appointed governor of the castles of Carmarthen and Cardigan and made sheriff the next year of the counties of Salop and Stafford and constable of the castles of Salop and Bridgenorth, which sheriffalty he held for five years. Upon his retirement from office, he had a confirmation of all such lands whereof he was then possessed as well those granted to him by Ranulph, Earl of Chester, and Nicholas de Verdon, as those in Ireland given him by Hugh de Lacy, Earl of Ulster, whose constable he was in that province. He subsequently obtained divers other territorial grants from the crown, but, notwithstanding, when Richard Mareschall, Earl of Pembroke, rebelled and made an incursion into Wales, the king, Henry III, thought it prudent to secure the persons of this Henry and all the other barons-marchers. He was afterwards, however, constituted governor of Shrewsbury in place of John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, and, on the death of John, Earl of Chester, governor of the castle of Chester, and also that of Beeston, then called the "Castle on the Rock," and soon after made governor of Newcastle-under-Lyne. This powerful feudal baron m. Bertred, dau. of Ralph de Meisnil-warin, of Cheshire, and had a son, James, and a dau., Emme, who m. Griffith ap Madoc, Lord of Bromefield, a person of great power in Wales. He d. in 1236, having founded and endowed the Abbey of Hilton near to his castle at Heleigh, in Staffordshire, for Cistercian monks, and was s. by his son, James de Alditheley.

Henry married Bertrade de Mainwaring in 1217. Bertrade (daughter of Ralph Mainwaring and Amicia de Meschines) died after 1248; was buried in Hulton Abbey, Staffordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1249
• Alternate death: Aft 3 Nov 1249

Notes:

VCH Buckinghamshire (II, 365-72) calls him "Reginald or Roger de Croft".

Roger married Cecily de Turville. Cecily (daughter of William de Turville and Isabel) was born in of Pailton, Warwickshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Keeper of Montgomery Castle.

William married Joan. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Walter married Ida Longespée. Ida (daughter of William I Longespée and Ela of Salisbury) died after 1261. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 11 May 1262