Alice Longford

Alice married Robert Neville in 1402. Robert (son of William Neville and Elizabeth Fencote) was born in of Rolleston, Nottinghamshire, England; died between 1423 and 1428. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Thomas Neville was born about 1405 in of Rolleston, Nottinghamshire, England; died before 22 May 1480.

Nicholas married Margery Sulney before 1373. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Nicholas married Alice Deincourt about 29 Sep 1346. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Knight of the shire for Derbyshire. Present at Crécy and the siege of Calais.

Nicholas married Alice le Boteler before 28 Mar 1330. Alice (daughter of William le Boteler and Ela de Herdeburgh) died after 1364. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire.

Roger married Maud Bugge. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

John married Joan Byron. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also spelled Le Botiller. "Her served as a Justce of Assize, a Conservator of the Peace, and Commander of levies, in addition to being an MP." [Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, citation details below.]

"William le Botiler of Wem and Oversley, next brother and heir, born 11 June 1274. He had livery of his brother's lands 8 April 1296, and having served in the wars with Scotland, was summoned to Parliament 10 March 1307/8 to 10 October 1325, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiller (or sometimes le Butiller) de Wemme, whereby he be held to have become Lord le Botiller. He m. 1stly, before 1298, Beatrice, who was living in 1305-06. He m., 2ndly, before February 1315/6, Ela daughter and coheir of Roger of Herdeburgh. He d. 1334, before 14 September. His widow was living 5 July 1343, and d. s.p.m." [Complete Peerage II:232]

William married Ela de Herdeburgh before 1310. Ela (daughter of Roger de Herdeburgh and Ida de Odingsells) died after 5 Jul 1343. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Complete Peerage II: 231:

"William le Botiler of Wem, Salop, son & heir of Ralph le Botiler of Oversley, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter & heir of William Pantulf of Wem. He succeeded his father shortly before 3 July 1281 He was summoned cum equis et armis, 24 May 1282 and 14 March 1282/3, and to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 July 1283, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiler (or le Botiller) de Wemme.

"He married, after 2 October 1261, Angharad, daughter of Griffith ap Madoc ap Griffith Maelor, Lord of Bromfield, Dinas Bran and Yale (now co. Denbigh), i.e. of Lower Powis, by Emma, daughter of Henry AUDLEY, of Heleigh, co. Stafford. He died shortly before 11 December 1283. His widow, to whom dower was ordered to be assigned, 8 February 1283/4, was living 22 July 1308."

Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages:

"William Boteler, who, in the lifetime of his father, had m. Ankaret, niece of James de Aldithley, died, however, in a very few years after inheriting his paternal property (anno 1283), leaving three sons,John, Gawine, and William, and was s. by his eldest, John Boteler."

William married Ankaret ferch Gruffudd after 2 Oct 1261. Ankaret (daughter of Gruffudd ap Madoc and Emma de Audley) was born about 1248; died after 22 Jun 1308. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also spelled Angharad.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: of Prilleston, Norfolk, England
• Alternate death: Bef 1285, Harborough Magna, Rugby, Warwickshire, England
• Alternate death: Bef 1296

Roger married Ida de Odingsells. Ida (daughter of William de Odingsells and Ela fitz Walter) was born about 1265 in of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died after 1 Mar 1322. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1270
• Alternate death: Aft 8 Apr 1325

Notes:

Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum (1846) says that this Ida, widow of John de Clinton, was a prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1300. VCH Warwick 2 says that "Lady Isabel Clinton" succeeded Agnes as prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1325. The register of Thomas Cobham, Bishop of Worcester, 1317-1327, names "the noble lady Ysabella de Clyntone" as one of the several parties to a dispute he adjudicated at Wroxhall in 1323, but says nothing about Isabel becoming prioress, nor anything to identify her as the Ida who was the widow of John de Clinton who died in 1311. Additionally, while several records exist of the widow Ida in the 1320s, none of them make any reference to her being at Wroxhall, as a prioress or not. As John Watson pointed out on SGM, 8 and 9 Sep 2017, the likeliest solution to the above is that Dugdale was mistaken, and that the Clinton widow of Wroxhall priory was someone else, perhaps the otherwise-unknown widow of John de Clinton of Coleshill who died in 1316.

"He [John Clinton] married, probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'Odingsells, 1st daughter of William d'Odingsells, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2." [Complete Peerage III:12-13]

Douglas Richardson in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2001, adds a first husband for Ida:

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Ida de Odingsells's Herdeburgh and Clinton Marriages: Further Evidence
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-09-27 08:31:32 PST

Dear Newsgroup:

Two days ago I announced the discovery that Ida de Odingsells, a descendant of King Henry II, married (lst) Roger de Herdeburgh (died c. 1284), by whom she had a daughter, Ela de Herdeburgh, who left many descendants. Previously Ida was only known to have had a marriage about 1290 to John de Clinton, 1st Lord Clinton (died c. 1310). Following my post, Rosie Bevan kindly provided a citation which confirmed that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was in fact named Ida.

Since my first post, I've located an informative article on the Herdeburgh family which appeared in Norfolk Archaeology, 30 (1952): 19-25. That article cites two documents, one dated 1284, the other 1286, which establish beyond doubt that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was named Ida and that Ida, as Roger's widow, held the manor of Prilleston, Norfolk (a Herdeburgh manor) following his death. The article further states that Prilleston was eventually conveyed by Ida de Herdeburgh's heirs to her grandson, Walter de Hopton, Knt. This confirms that that Prilleston stayed in the family past Ida's death about 1328.

As for other evidence that widow Ida de Herdeburgh married John de Clinton, I found elsewhere that Prilleston, Norfolk was held in 1316 by "Idonia de Clynton" [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 478]. Idonia de Clynton can be none other than Ida de Clinton, then a widow for the second time.

Best always,
Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah