Katherine la Warre

Katherine married Warin le Latimer before 1329. Warin (son of Thomas le Latimer and Lora de Hastings) was born about 1304 in of Braybrook, Northamptonshire, England; died on 13 Aug 1349. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Elizabeth Latimer died before 1411.

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Summoned to Parliament from 26 Aug 1307 to 25 Aug 1318. Knighted by the future Edward II at Westminster, 22 May 1306. He was in the sea fight off Sluys in 1340.

John married Joan de Grelle after 19 Nov 1294. Joan (daughter of Robert de Grelle and Hawise de Burgh) died on 20 Mar 1353. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: 21 Mar 1353

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Or de Grelley.

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Summoned to Parliament 6 Feb 1299 to 16 Jun 1311. Present at the siege of Caerlaverock.

Roger married Clarice de Tregoz before Oct 1276. Clarice (daughter of John de Tregoz and Mabel Fitzwarine) died between Apr 1289 and 28 Aug 1300. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also called Cecily.

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Or Grelly, Grelley, etc.

Robert married Hawise de Burgh. Hawise (daughter of John de Burgh and Cecily de Balliol) was born about 1258; died before 24 Mar 1299. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

John married Olympia de Fokinton. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Bef 1247
• Alternate death: 12 Aug 1300

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Served in the wars with Wales, Gascony, and Scotland. Summoned to Parliament by writs, 26 Jan 1297 to 10 Apr 1299.

John married Mabel Fitzwarine. Mabel (daughter of Fulk IV Fitzwarine and Clarice de Auberville) died before 24 May 1297. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Or Maud.

Robert married Joan. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

John married Cecily de Balliol. Cecily (daughter of John de Balliol and Devorguille of Galloway) died before 1273. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1200, of Lydiard Tregoz, Wiltshire, England
• Alternate death: 4 Aug 1265, Evesham, Worcestershire, England

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Closely associated with Henry III. Summoned for service in Wales 1258-1264.

"Robert de Tregoz, whose family came from Troisgots in the Cotentin; until 1204 he held land in Normandy as well as in many English counties." [The Blackmans of Knight's Creek, citation details below.]

The Wallop Family says he was slain at the battle of Evesham, as does AR8 255A:29 (which appears to have originally been prepared by Richardson). But Richardson's RA says merely that he died "shortly before" 24 Sep 1268, three years after the battle.

Robert married Juliane de Cantelowe before 1 Aug 1245. Juliane (daughter of William II de Cantelowe and Milicent de Gournay) died after 6 Aug 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1208
• Alternate birth: Abt 1210

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Drowned in the Ouse while attempting to escape, at the Battle of Lewes.

Fulk married Clarice de Auberville. Clarice (daughter of Robert de Auberville and Clarice de Gestling) was born in of Iden, Sussex, England; died after 8 Oct 1250. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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The predominant view of Clarice de Auberville, reflected in Royal Ancestry, Leo van de Pas's Genealogics, etc., is that she was the second wife of the Fulk Fitzwarine who married, first, Maud de Vavasour, and that this Fulk Fitzwarine, generally numbered "III" by later historians and genealogists, died in 1258.

But in 2003, John P. Ravilious put forward a strong argument that Fulk III died in or just before 1235, that Maud de Vavasour was his only wife, and that Clarice de Auberville was in fact the first wife of his son Fulk "IV", who later married Constance de Toeni and drowned at the battle of Lewes. Mabel Fitzwarine who married William de Crevequer and John de Tregoz was Clarice's daughter by Fulk IV rather than Fulk III. Fulk V was, as in the model more commonly accepted, son of Fulk IV by Constance de Toeni.

Ravilious's argument is based on several grounds and can be read in its entirety here. (It should be noted that the proportionally-spaced font used by Google Groups makes a hash of Ravilious's charts; this can be rectified by copying the text of the charts from the browser window and pasting them into any word processor or text editor capable of displaying them in a monospaced font, for instance Courier or Monaco.) A shorter post amplifying on one aspect of Ravilious's argument is here. It would be best to read Ravilious's argument in its entirety, but we note that among his evidence is a contemporary record in the Close Rolls in which, on 22 Nov 1235, Henry III grants to Hubert Hues a market that "was formerly held by Fulk fitz Warin, deceased." Fulk III had been closely involved with Henry and his court in previous years, and other records show clearly that this Fulk was the Fulk to whom the market had previously been granted (in 1219 and again in 1220); it is unlikely that the king or his court was confused about which Fulk they were referring to, or whether he was alive.

But the argument that Ravilious considers strongest is worth quoting in its entirety. Ravilious quotes a 1249 record of the King's Bench given in Janet Meisel's Barons of the Welsh Frontier: The Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272 (University of Nebraska Press, 1980), p. 50:

"Fulk Fitz Warin acknowledges that he gave, conceded and by his charter confirmed to Mabil, his daughter, for homage and her service, his entire manor of Lambourn with all appurtenances, to have and hold for herself and the heirs of her body of Fulk and his heirs freely, quietly, etc., saving religious service, as is described in his charter."

Ravilious comments:

"Fulk 'III' FitzWarin (husband of Maud le Vavasour) was born in 1178 or before; in 1249, if he was still alive and married to Clarice d'Auberville, he would have been somewhere between 70 and 80 years of age. At that time he would have had a son and heir aged about 40 or more (Fulk 'IV'), and would be granting the significant manor of Lambourn, Berks. to his young (say 16-19 year old) daughter -- and Fulk 'IV' 's half sister -- Maud on her marriage to William de Crevequer, something that Meisel found to be incredible. It is far more believeable, and likely, that the 1249 grant was by Fulk 'IV' (aged 40 or more) to his young daughter -- Maud (by HIS wife, Clarice d'Auberville)."

We're unaware of anyone refuting Ravilious's arguments or explaining why the commoner model of this family is more plausible, so despite the fact that most sources still show Clarice as the second wife of Fulk III instead of the first wife of Fulk IV, we're going with Ravilious's model.

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Constable of the Tower of London.

John married Hawise de Lanvallay before 1227. Hawise (daughter of William de Lanvallay and Maud Pecche) died in 1249; was buried in St. John's Abbey, Colchester, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Father of John II de Balliol, king of Scotland from 1292 to 1296.

From Wikipedia:

[He] was a leading figure of Scottish and Anglo-Norman life. [...] It is believed that he was educated at Durham School in the city of Durham.

In 1223, Lord John married Dervorguilla of Galloway, the daughter of Alan, Lord of Galloway and Margaret of Huntingdon. By the mid-thirteenth century, he and his wife had become very wealthy, principally as a result of inheritances from Dervorguilla's family. This wealth allowed Balliol to play a prominent public role, and, on Henry III's instruction, he served as joint protector of the young king of Scots, Alexander III. He was one of Henry III's leading counsellors between 1258 and 1265 and was appointed Sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire from 1261 to 1262. He was captured at the battle of Lewes in 1264 but escaped and rejoined King Henry. [...]

Following a dispute with the Bishop of Durham, he agreed to provide funds for scholars studying at Oxford. Support for a house of students began in around 1263; further endowments after his death, supervised by Dervorguilla, resulted in the establishment of Balliol College.

John married Devorguille of Galloway in 1233. Devorguille (daughter of Alan fitz Roland and Margaret of Huntingdon) died on 28 Jan 1290; was buried in Sweet Heart Abbey, Galloway, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: of Tregots, Normandy, France
• Alternate death: Bef 29 Apr 1215

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Bailiff of Cotentin 1180; Sheriff of Wiltshire 1191-2; Keeper of Salisbury and Clarendon Castles; Warden of Gavray, Neaufle, and Similly Castles.

From Complete Peerage 12/2:16-18:

Observations.--There can be little doubt that the families of Tregoz, centred in East Anglia and south-east England in the 12th century, were related, and it is very probable that the Tregoz lords of Ewyas Harold, co. Hereford, were also connected with these families. The name comes from Troisgots: Manche, arr. St. LÙ, cant. Tessy-sur-Vire.

Robert de Tregoz [...] was active in Normandy during the reigns of Richard I and John. He was with the King there in 1190 and during the years 1194-99, being called the King's Steward in 1194; and was bailiff of the Cotentin in 1195 and 1197, and under John. An agreement made between King Richard and the Count of Flanders in 1197 was witnessed by Robert, who in 1200 was at the determination of the bounds between Evreux and Neufbourg after the peace between King John and Philip Augustus. During the years 1200-04 he was warden of the castles of Gavray, Neaufle and Similly, and custodian of the lands of Simon Pevilene; and in November 1204 he went on royal business to Flanders. He remained faithful to the English Crown after 1204, and his escheated lands in Trègots, Favarches and St. Romphaire were granted by Philip Augustus to Miles de Lèvis, November 1218. Robert went to the continent on royal business with William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, in the spring of 1205. He was also active in England, holding many offices during the reign of Richard I. The castle of Salisbury was in his care, 1190-94, and again in 1198 and 1199; he was keeper of the royal houses at Clarendon, 1190-93, and sheriff of Wiltshire in 1191. He farmed Gastard, in Corsham, Wilts, 1191-94, was granted money from Warminster in 1193, and farmed the lands of Geoffrey Hose in Wilts, 1197-1200. He also farmed Bristol, 1196-99. Robert answered for the lands of Alan de Hairun in 1200, was granted estates, in payment of the King's debts to him, at Pencombe, co. Hereford, in 1205, and in the following year he received the manor of Chelworth, Somerset.

He married, possibly in 1198, Sibyl, daughter and heir of Robert de Ewyas, lord of Ewyas Harold, co. Hereford, by Pernel (Petronilla), his wife (living 28 October 1204.) He died some time before 29 April 1215. Sibyl married, 2ndly, before 13 February 1216/7, Roger, son of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford Castle, co. Hereford. She died shortly before 1 July 1236.

Robert married Sibyl de Ewyas about 1198. Sibyl (daughter of Robert de Ewyas and Pernel Scudamore) died in 1236 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1 Jul 1236
• Alternate death: 1 Jul 1236

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Or Ewias.

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1185, of Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire, England

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Steward of the royal household to Henry III. "[N]amed by Roger of Wendover among the evil counsellors of King John of England, apparently for no better reason than that they were consistently loyal to an unpopular master." [Wikipedia]

William married Milicent de Gournay before Jul 1215. Milicent (daughter of Hugh de Gournay and Juliane de Dammartin) died before 1233. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1260

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Countess of Gloucester; Countess of Evreux.

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• Alternate birth: Bef 1178, of Lambourn, Hungerford, Berkshire, England
• Alternate death: Aft Oct 1250
• Alternate death: Between 1256 and 1257
• Alternate death: 1258

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Subject of the medieval romance Fouke le Fitz Waryne, possible basis for at least part of the Robin Hood legend.

"This Fulk had been outlawed, but was pardoned, 15 Nov. 1203, his castle of Whittington being restored to him, 17 Oct. 1204." [Complete Peerage]

Ravilious has this particular Fulk dying over two decades before many other sources do; his reasoning is set forth here.

Fulk married Maud le Vavasour before 1 Oct 1207. Maud (daughter of Robert le Vavasour and (Unknown) de Birkin) died before 1226. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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From Antiquities of Shropshire by the Rev. R. W. Eyton [Vol. VII, p. 73]:

Maud le Vavasour was daughter of Robert, granddaughter of William, and sister of John le Vavasour. I think her mother was a daughter of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn; for it appears that "Robert le Vavasour gave his share (it was a fourth) of the Vill of Bolton with Matilda le Count, his daughter, in frank marriage to Theobald Walter, and that the said Matilda afterwards gave it to Roger de Burkyn, her Uncle." (Sallay Register, Dugd. MSS. D. 2.)

It is not difficult to say why Maud le Vavasour is called Matilda le Count in the above extract. The names Vavasour and Count are treated as equivalent. It is less easy to determine why the Fitz Warin Chronicle calls the same person Maude de Caus. I, however, suggest an explanation.--

The real Maud de Caus, for there was such a person living at the time of Maud le Vavasour's marriage, was probably her Grandmother. She was daughter and sole heir of that Robert de Chaus who figures in 1165 as a great Derbyshire Feudatory (Liber Niger, I. 225), and who was hereditary Warden of the Forests of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. Maud de Caus was wife, first of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn, and secondly of Ralph fitz Stephen. By her first husband she had issue John de Birkyn, who, on her death in 1224, succeeded to her great inheritance. I think that Roger de Birkyn above-mentioned, and * * * de Birkyn wife of Robert le Vavasour, were also children of Maude de Caus by her first husband.

Maud le Vavasour, thus supposed to be her Granddaughter, had two children by her first husband, Theobald Walter. These were Theobald Walter (II.) and Matilda. Matilda was entrusted by King John to the guardianship of Gilbert fitz Reinfrid; but in 1220 King Henry III. apprises William de Lancaster (Gilbert fitz Reinfrid's son), that Theobald fitz Theobald was now to have charge of his Sister (Pat. 4 Hen. III, m. 5). This Writ, coupled with another of July 1221 (Claus. I. 463), shows that in 1220-1 Theobald Walter (II.) attained his majority.

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"Fought in Ireland, 1210; attended the King at the siege of Bytham Castle, 1221; Warden of the Sea Ports from Portsmouth to Sandwich, 1228." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz]

Robert married Clarice de Gestling. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 5 May 1243, Banstead, Surrey, England
• Alternate death: 12 May 1243

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Earl of Kent. Chief justiciar of England and Ireland. "[H]as been wrongly said to have been the son of a brother of William fitz Aldhelm, steward of Henry II. It is possible, though doubtful, that his father was the Walter whose daughter Adelina, with her son William, owed 40 marks in the pipe roll of 26 Henry II (1179/80) for recognition of their right to a knight's fee at Burgh, Norfolk. His mother's name was Alice, for in his grant (c.1230) of the advowson of the church of Oulton to the prior of Walsingham, Hubert stated that the gift was 'for the soul of my mother Alice who rests in the church at Walsingham' (BL, Cotton MS Nero E.vii, fol. 91). His elder brother was William de Burgh (d. 1206) who, in 1185, accompanied the king's youngest son, John, to Ireland, where he eventually became lord of Connacht; William's son would later refer to Hubert as uncle." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

Before his fall, one of the most powerful men in England in the reigns of both John and his successor Henry III. During the childhood of the latter, De Burgh was for a time regent in all but name.

Hubert married Beatrix de Warenne after 1208. Beatrix (daughter of William de Warenne and Beatrix de Pierrepont) was born in of Wormegay, Norfolk, England; died before 12 Dec 1214. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Constable of Colchester castle. Magna Carta surety.

William married Maud Pecche. Maud (daughter of Gilbert Pecche and Alice fitz Walter) died before 1233; was buried in St. John's Abbey, Colchester, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: 1228

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Father of John I de Balliol, who founded Balliol College, and grandfather of John II de Balliol, king of Scotland from 1292 to 1296.

Hugh married Cecily de Fontaines. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also called Alan of Galloway. Hereditary Constable of Scotland.

Present at Magna Carta as an advisor to King John.

From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

"Cross-border landholding and kinship with King John of England made Alan a man of consequence in both realms. His relationship with the king of Scots, based on loose overlordship rather than feudal subordination, allowed freedom of manoeuvre where his actions did not conflict with Scottish interests. Galloway's military resources and substantial fleet gave added influence; Alan's aid was courted unsuccessfully by John for his 1210 campaign against the Ulster Lacys, but he agreed to send one thousand men for the abortive Welsh campaign of 1212. [...]

"From 1225 Alan used the freedom afforded by the loose overlordship of the Scottish crown to interfere in the feud between King Ragnvald of Man and his half-brother, Olaf. His private interest, arising from efforts to secure Antrim with Ragnvald's support against the threat of a Lacy restoration, coincided at first with Anglo-Scottish policy towards the region and received the tacit support of his Scottish overlord. The prospect of a pro-Scottish client in Man led Alexander II to acquiesce to the marriage in 1226 of Alan's bastard son, Thomas, to Ragnvald's daughter, but the marriage provoked revolt against Ragnvald. Despite the support of Galwegian galleys and warriors, Ragnvald was overthrown and slain in 1229 by Olaf. Alan's ensuing attempts to conquer Man for Thomas destabilized the Hebrides and western highlands, thereby threatening Scottish territorial interests, and in 1230–31 prompted active Norwegian support for Olaf. Joint action by Alan and Alexander averted catastrophe, but Scottish and Galwegian interests had diverged and the 1231 campaign marked the end of further Galwegian involvement in the Manx succession; Alan's dynastic ambitions had caused an undesirable war with a major foreign power."

From Wikipedia:

"Although under the traditional Celtic custom of Galloway, Alan's illegitimate son could have succeeded to the Lordship of Galloway, under the feudal custom of the Scottish realm, Alan's nearest heirs were his surviving daughters. Using Alan's death as an opportunity to further integrate Galloway within his realm, Alexander forced the partition of the lordship amongst Alan's daughters. Alan was the last legitimate ruler of Galloway, descending from the native dynasty of Fergus, Lord of Galloway."

Alan married Margaret of Huntingdon in 1209. Margaret (daughter of David of Scotland and Maud of Chester) died about 6 Jan 1233. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]