Alice Fitz Walter

Family/Spouse: Aubrey Vere. Aubrey (son of John de Vere and Maud de Badlesmere) was born between 1338 and 1340; died on 23 Apr 1400. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Alice Vere died about 1431.
2. Richard de Vere was born about 1385; died on 15 Feb 1417; was buried in Earl's Colne Priory, Halstead, Great Bromley, Essex, England.

John married Eleanor de Percy. Eleanor (daughter of Henry de Percy and Idoine de Clifford) died before 18 Oct 1361; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Robert married Joan de Multon. Joan (daughter of Thomas de Multon and Eleanor de Burgh) died on 16 Jun 1363; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 2 Feb 1300, Leconfield, Yorkshire, England
• Alternate birth: 6 Feb 1301, Leconfield, Yorkshire, England
• Alternate death: 27 Feb 1352, Warkworth, Northumberland, England

Notes:

Keeper of Berwick Castle; Keeper of the Coast of Yorkshire and Northumberland; Keeper of Bamburgh and Skipton Castles; Warden of the Scottish Marches; Justiciar of the East March.

M.P. 1322-52, according to Ancestral Roots.

Great-grandfather of Henry "Hotspur" Percy.

"A powerful border lord, he was a justiciar and warden of the Scottish marches, participated frequently in raids, skirmishes, battles and sieges against the Scots, including the battle of Neville's Cross, where he commanded a division." [The Ancestry of Charles II]

Henry married Idoine de Clifford about 1318. Idoine (daughter of Robert de Clifford and Maud de Clare) was born in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 24 Aug 1365; was buried in Beverley Minster, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1303, Clifford Castle, Herefordshire, England

Notes:

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 11:11:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Looking for primary source documents on Idonia [Imania] de Clifford
Reply-To: Douglas Richardson

Dear Steve ~

The correct name of Henry de Percy's wife is Idoine de Clifford. "Idonia" or "Idonea" are the Latin forms of her name and should be avoided.

The parentage of Idoine de Clifford is hardly elusive as you imagine. There are no less than five separate visitations/medieval sources which name Idoine, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, as a Clifford, or the daughter of Lord Clifford:

1. Archaeologia Aeliana 3 (1844): 40 (Chronicles of Alnwick Abbey: "Iste Henricus disponsavit idoneam filiam Domini de Clyfford et genuit ex ea Anno Domini 1320 Henricum quartum et tertium Dominum de Alnewyk et alios plures filios et filias inter quos erat Thomas qui postea fuit Episcopus Norwicens ...").

2. Atkinson, Cartularium Abbathiæ de Whiteby 2 (Surtees Soc. 72) (1881): 690-696 (Percy ped.: "The fourth Henry Lord Percy ... gat on Idonea Clyfford Henry, William, Richard, Maude, Alianour Fitzwater, Roger, and Margarett that was maried to the Erle of Angus Sonne and his heire.").

3. Flower, Vis. of Yorkshire 1563-4 (H.S.P. 16) (1881): 241-244 (Percy ped.: "Henry 4 Lord Percy. = Ida doughter of the Lord Clyfford.").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

books.google.com/books?id=pjMEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA242

4. Harvey et al., Vis. of the North 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 18-20 (Percy ped.: "Henricus Percy = Idonea Clifforde").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees144text.pdf

5. Harvey et al., Vis. of the North 4 (Surtees Soc. 146) (1932): 17-24 (Lassels ped.: "Idonæ [Clifford] mar: to Henry lord Percy").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees146text.pdf

Given that we know that Sir Henry Percy was born in 1300 or 1301, and given that Henry's son and heir, also named Henry, was born about
1322-5, the birth of Idoine de Clifford would necessarily have to fall about 1300-1310. Given the chronology, Idoine de Clifford can be placed as a daughter of Robert de Clifford (died 1314), 1st Lord Clifford, and his wife, Maud de Clare, which Robert and Maud were married in 1295. Idoine de Clifford was surely named for her father's maternal aunt, Idoine de Vipont (died 1333), wife of Roger de Leybourne, Knt., and John de Cromwell, Knt., Lord Cromwell.

For interesting references to Idoine, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, see the following weblinks:

books.google.com/books?id=1MUwhOPhfKcC&pg=PA116&dq=Idoine+Percy

books.google.com/books?lr=&id=8AMhAAAAMAAJ&dq=Idoine+Percy&q=Idoine&pgis=1#search_anchor

books.google.com/books?id=RzUdAAAAIAAJ&q=Idoine+Percy&dq=Idoine+Percy&lr=&pgis=1

books.google.com/books?id=cu8i2yausLcC&pg=PA124&dq=Idoine+Percy&lr=

The tomb at Beverley Minster, Yorkshire which is now attributed to Idoine de Clifford, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, bears shields with various coats of arms, among them Clifford.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:15:21 AM UTC-7, The Hoorn wrote:

So far, I have been unsuccessful in locating any primary or contemporaneous records, documenting the parentage of Idonia [Imania] de Clifford, as the daughter of Lord Robert Clifford (killed in battle Bannockburn 24 Jun 1314) and Matilda de Clare. Idonia was also the wife of Sir Henry Percy (1301-1352).

I would sincerely welcome any assistance.

Thanks!

Notes:

Summoned to Parliament 24 Jun 1295 to 10 Oct 1325. Fought at the battle of Falkirk, and present at the siege of Caervaverock.

Robert married Eleanor de Ferrers before 11 Mar 1290 in King's Chapel, Westminster, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Thomas married Eleanor de Burgh on 3 Jan 1297 in St. Peter's Priory, Ipswich, Suffolk, England. Eleanor (daughter of Richard de Burgh and Margaret) was born in 1282 in Wales; died after 1326. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 1284, Wales

Notes:

Warden of Galloway and Ayrshire 1296; Justiciar in Dumfries and joint Justiciar in Lancaster, Cumberland, and Westmorland 1297; constable of Scarborough Castle 1308; Justice of the Forest Beyond Trent 1311; Keeper of Bamburgh Castle 1313; Keeper of the Marches.

M.P. 1299-1314, according to Ancestral Roots.

Fought at Bannockburn.

Henry married Eleanor de Arundel. Eleanor (daughter of Richard Fitz Alan and Alice di Saluzzo) was born about 1284 in Arundel, Sussex, England; died in 1328; was buried in Beverley, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 14 Apr 1274
• Alternate birth: Abt 5 Apr 1276, of Appleby, Westmorland, England

Notes:

Served in Edward I's wars in Scotland. On the death of his mother, he succeeded to the hereditary shrievalty of Westmorland. Justice in Eyre North of Trent 1297-1307. Governor of Nottingham Castle, July 1298. Summoned to Parliament 29 Dec 1299 to 26 Nov 1313 by writs directed Roberto de Clifford. Signed the 1301 Barons' Letter to Pope Boniface VIII as Robertus de Clifford Castellanus de Appelby. By Edward II he was made, for a few months in 1308, Marshal of England; Justice South of Trent 1307-8; Warden of the Scottish Marches 1308. Pardoned 16 Oct 1313 for participation in the death of Piers Gaveston. Killed at the Battle of Bannockburn.

Robert married Maud de Clare on 13 Nov 1295. Maud (daughter of Thomas de Clare and Juliane fitz Maurice) died on 1 Feb 1325. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Between 4 Mar 1327 and 24 May 1327