Eleanor le Strange

Eleanor married Reynold de Grey before 31 Oct 1353. Reynold (son of Roger de Grey and Elizabeth de Hastings) was born about 1319 in of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 28 Jul 1388. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Ida Grey died on 1 Jun 1426; was buried in Cockayne Hatley, Bedfordshire, England.
2. Reynold Grey was born about 1362 in of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 30 Sep 1440.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 25 Jan 1306, of Blackmere, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England

Notes:

Also spelled Lestraunge. Summoned to Parliament by writ 23 Oct 1330 to 20 Apr 1344.

"John Lestrange, 2nd Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), JP (Salop 1332); fought at Crécy 1346; married as her 1st husband Ankaret (married 2nd Sir Thomas de Ferrers and died 8 Oct 1361), daughter of William Boteler, of Wem, Salop, and died 21 July 1349." [Burke's Peerage]

John married Ankaret le Boteler before 20 May 1327. Ankaret (daughter of William le Boteler and Ela de Herdeburgh) died on 8 Oct 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"Ankaret (married 2nd Sir Thomas de Ferrers and died 8 Oct 1361), daughter of William Boteler, of Wem, Salop." [Burke's Peerage]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 24 Jan 1324
• Alternate death: 1 Feb 1324
• Alternate death: 23 Jan 1325

Notes:

Seneschal of Aquitaine, 26 May 1322. Field commander for Edwards I and II in Scotland and France. Summoned to Parliament by writ 4 Mar 1309.

"Fulk Lestrange, 1st Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), so created by writ of summons to Parliament 4 March 1308/9; served in Edward I's and Edward II's Scottish campaigns 1298-1323; Seneschal of Aquitaine 1322; married Eleanor (predeceased her husband), daughter of John Giffard, of Brimsfield, Glos. 1st Lord (Baron) Giffard, and died by 23 Jan 1323/4." [Burke's Peerage]

Fulke married Eleanor Giffard before 1301. Eleanor (daughter of John Giffard and Maud de Clifford) was born in 1275 in of Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England; died before 23 Jan 1324. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1325

Notes:

Eleanor (predeceased her husband), daughter of John Giffard, of Brimsfield, Glos. 1st Lord (Baron) Giffard. [Burke's Peerage]

Notes:

Also spelled Le Botiller. "Her served as a Justce of Assize, a Conservator of the Peace, and Commander of levies, in addition to being an MP." [Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, citation details below.]

"William le Botiler of Wem and Oversley, next brother and heir, born 11 June 1274. He had livery of his brother's lands 8 April 1296, and having served in the wars with Scotland, was summoned to Parliament 10 March 1307/8 to 10 October 1325, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiller (or sometimes le Butiller) de Wemme, whereby he be held to have become Lord le Botiller. He m. 1stly, before 1298, Beatrice, who was living in 1305-06. He m., 2ndly, before February 1315/6, Ela daughter and coheir of Roger of Herdeburgh. He d. 1334, before 14 September. His widow was living 5 July 1343, and d. s.p.m." [Complete Peerage II:232]

William married Ela de Herdeburgh before 1310. Ela (daughter of Roger de Herdeburgh and Ida de Odingsells) died after 5 Jul 1343. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 13 Oct 1276

Notes:

"Robert Lestrange; acquired Chawton after death of his brother Hamon, and Wrockwardine in the latter's lifetime; married Eleanor, daughter and coheir of William de Blancminster (modern Whitechurch, Salop) and predeceased her 12 Oct 1276." [Burke's Peerage]

Crusader about 1270, according to AR.

Robert married Eleanor Blancminster about 1250. Eleanor (daughter of William Blancminster and Eve Fitzwarine) was born in of Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died after 1276. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1300
• Alternate death: Abt 1304
• Alternate death: 1306, Ercall Magna, Shropshire, England

Notes:

This family of Whitchurch in Shropshire is also called Blanchminster, Blauminster, Blancmostiers, Whitchurch, de Albo Monasterio, and "the Warennes of Whitchurch."

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 29 May 1299, Boyton, Wiltshire, England

Notes:

From Complete Peerage V:639:

Sir John Giffard, of Brimpsfield, Badgeworth, Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, and Rockhampton, co. Gloucester, Elston, Orcheston St. George, Sherrington, Ashton, and Broughton Gifford, Wilts, son and heir of Sir Elis Giffard, of Brimpsfield, &c. (who died shortly before 2 May 1248) (c1), by his 2nd wife, Alice, sister of Sir John Mautravers, of Lytchet Matravers, Dorset (a). He was aged 16, or 16 and more, at his father's death (b1). With several other barons, he seized the Bishop of Hereford, 11 June 1263, and took him to Eardisley Castle. On 18 August following, he was among those who made a treaty with Edward, the King's son. He had just been appointed, 7 August, by the advice of the Magnates of the Council, Keeper of the castle of St. Briavel and the forest of Dean, during pleasure, and he was pardoned, 18 September following, for all trespasses committed by reason of non-observance of the Provisions of Oxford. He was appointed joint Keeper of the counties of Gloucester, Worcester, and Hereford, 24 December 1263. In 1264 he belonged to the baronial party, and in April, being in command at Kenilworth, he surprised and destroyed Warwick Castle, taking the Earl and Countess prisoners. On 14 May following he was at the battle of Lewes, where he was taken prisoner early in the day, but he had already captured William la Zuche. He was one of those prohibited, 16 February 1264/5, from taking part in the tournament at Dunstaple, and ordered to attend a Council on the morrow of Ash Wednesday [19 February] following. He changed sides together with the Earl of Gloucester and others, and was in the King's army at the battle of Evesham, 4 August 1265. In consideration of his services at this battle, he was pardoned, 9 Oct. 1265, for having adhered to Simon de Montfort at the battle of Lewes, and for all other trespasses committed up to the said 9 October. He was one of the commissioners empowered, 24 April 1274, to make a truce at the ford of Montgomery, in a month from Easter [29 April], between Llewelyn ab Gruffyd, Prince of Wales, and Humphrey de Bohun of Brecknock. On 6 November 1281 he had licence to hunt wolves, with his own hounds, throughout all the King's forests in England. He was appointed Keeper of the castle of Llandovery, co. Carmarthen, 9 April 1282, and of that of Builth, co. Brecknock, 14 October following, both during pleasure. On 18 November 1283 the King granted him, in fee, the commote of Iscennen, co. Carmarthen, to hold by the service of a knight's fee: and, on 8 February 1289/90, the castle of Dynevor in that county, for life, as a refuge for himself and his men: he was ordered to deliver this castle to Walter de Pederton, 29 July 1297. He was present at the assemblies held at Berwick in October and November 1297, to discuss the various claims to the Crown of Scotland. He was Captain of Podensac in Gascony, which town he surrendered to the French, in 1294/5. He was summoned for Military Service from 18 July 1257 to 7 May 1299, to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283, to attend the King at Salisbury, 26 January 1296/7, to a Military Council, 20 August 1297,and to Parliament from 24 June 1295. to 10 April 1299, by writs directed Johanni Giffard, or Gyffard, occasionally with the additionde Brimmesfeld', whereby he is held to have become Lord Giffard.

He was affianced, at the age of 4 years, to Aubrey de Caumville (who was about the same age), but he did not marry her (b2). He married, 1stly, Maud [c2], widow of Sir William Lungespee, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7], and daughter and heir of Sir Walter de Clifford, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards. He married, 2ndly, in 1286, Margaret, widow of Sir John de Neville, of Hallingbury, Wethersfield, Great Totham, Great Wakering and Langharn, Essex, Alphington, Devon, &c. who died shortly before 20 May 1282. He died at Boyton, Wilts, 29 May, and was buried 11 June 1299 in Malmesbury Abbey. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 1 August 1299, and on 5 August she was assigned the manors of Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, Elston, and Broughton Gifford. She died shortly before 13 December 1338.

(c1) In 1221 this Elis stated that "Osbertus Giffard, antecessor suusqui venit ad conquestum Angl' tenuit manerium de Bimesfeld' . . . et post eum Elias flius suus . . . et post eum Elias filius illius Elieet pater suus." At least one generation is here omitted. The Elis living in 1221 was son and heir of Elis III, by Maud, daughter of Morice fitz Robert fitz Hardinge, of Berkeley: which Elis III owed 100 marks 'pro fine terre sue' in 1166 and died before Michaelmas 1190, when William le Mareschal owed 140 marks for the custody of the lands of Elis Giffard. Elis III was son and heir of Elis II (who became a monk in Gloucester Abbey), by Berta (living 1167), sister of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford and Glasbury, and daughter of Richard fitzPonce. In 1130 Elis II rendered account of 100 marks of silver for the relief of his father's lands, being son and heir of Elis I, by Ala, his wife. Before 1096 Elis I had succeeded his father Osbern Giffard, the Domesday tenant of Brimpsfield, Stoke, Rockhampton, Elston, Orcheston, etc.

(a) John Mautravers gave the manor of Ashton and the advowson of the church of St. Peter at Codford, Wilts, to Elis Giffard in free marriage with Alice his sister, to hold to them and their heirs of their bodies, by the service of a knight's fee.

(b1) "Elias Giffard". He held the manor of Winterburne (now Elston), of the King in chief, as the head of his barony; the manor of Sherrington pertaining to that barony; and that of Ashton, held ofJ ohn Mautravers in free marriage. Heir [name cut away] his son aged 16 [rest cut away]. The proof of age of this heir, John Giffard, is undated and defective, but it states that he was born on the day of St. Wulstan (19 Jan).

(b2) So the proof of age mentioned above. She was probably the Aubrey de Canville, a nun of Polesworth, who was elected Abbess in Dec 1276 or in the following month. The marriage was contracted at Arrow, co. Warwick, and she must have been a daughter of Thomas de Camville, of Arrow, and a descendant of Aubrey Marmion, Lady of Arrow, wife of William de Caumville.

John married Maud de Clifford before 10 Mar 1271. Maud (daughter of Walter IV de Clifford and Margaret ferch Llywelyn) was born in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England; died between 1282 and 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1 Dec 1281
• Alternate death: 1282

Notes:

"He [John Giffard] married, 1stly, Maud, widow of Sir William Lungespee, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7), and daughter and heir of Sir Walter de Clifford, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards." [Complete Peerage V:639-44]

[footnote in CP to the above:] Maud Lungespee notified the King that John Giffard had abducted her from her manor of Canford, Dorset, and taken her against her will to his castle of Brimpsfield, and there detained her. John appeared before the King, and professed himself ready to prove that he did not abduct her against her will, and offered a fine of 300 marks for the marriage already contracted, as it was said, between them, provided she made no further complaint against him. On 10 March 1270/1 the King ordained that if she were not content, the said fine should be void,and John should stand his trial at a month from Easter. And as she was too unwell to appear before the King, commissioners were sent to inquire into the truth of the matter, and to certify the King thereof. John and Maud, and her Ist husband, William Lungespee, were all descended from Richard fitz Ponce. Why John Giffard should have referred to himself as being of the race of Le Lungespee as in the proof of age mentioned above he is said to have done--is not explicable; unless, indeed, the sobriquet was derived from the family of Clifford.

Notes:

Complete Peerage II: 231:

"William le Botiler of Wem, Salop, son & heir of Ralph le Botiler of Oversley, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter & heir of William Pantulf of Wem. He succeeded his father shortly before 3 July 1281 He was summoned cum equis et armis, 24 May 1282 and 14 March 1282/3, and to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 July 1283, by writs directed Willelmo le Botiler (or le Botiller) de Wemme.

"He married, after 2 October 1261, Angharad, daughter of Griffith ap Madoc ap Griffith Maelor, Lord of Bromfield, Dinas Bran and Yale (now co. Denbigh), i.e. of Lower Powis, by Emma, daughter of Henry AUDLEY, of Heleigh, co. Stafford. He died shortly before 11 December 1283. His widow, to whom dower was ordered to be assigned, 8 February 1283/4, was living 22 July 1308."

Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages:

"William Boteler, who, in the lifetime of his father, had m. Ankaret, niece of James de Aldithley, died, however, in a very few years after inheriting his paternal property (anno 1283), leaving three sons,John, Gawine, and William, and was s. by his eldest, John Boteler."

William married Ankaret ferch Gruffudd after 2 Oct 1261. Ankaret (daughter of Gruffudd ap Madoc and Emma de Audley) was born about 1248; died after 22 Jun 1308. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also spelled Angharad.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: of Prilleston, Norfolk, England
• Alternate death: Bef 1285, Harborough Magna, Rugby, Warwickshire, England
• Alternate death: Bef 1296

Roger married Ida de Odingsells. Ida (daughter of William de Odingsells and Ela fitz Walter) was born about 1265 in of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died after 1 Mar 1322. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1270
• Alternate death: Aft 8 Apr 1325

Notes:

Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum (1846) says that this Ida, widow of John de Clinton, was a prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1300. VCH Warwick 2 says that "Lady Isabel Clinton" succeeded Agnes as prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1325. The register of Thomas Cobham, Bishop of Worcester, 1317-1327, names "the noble lady Ysabella de Clyntone" as one of the several parties to a dispute he adjudicated at Wroxhall in 1323, but says nothing about Isabel becoming prioress, nor anything to identify her as the Ida who was the widow of John de Clinton who died in 1311. Additionally, while several records exist of the widow Ida in the 1320s, none of them make any reference to her being at Wroxhall, as a prioress or not. As John Watson pointed out on SGM, 8 and 9 Sep 2017, the likeliest solution to the above is that Dugdale was mistaken, and that the Clinton widow of Wroxhall priory was someone else, perhaps the otherwise-unknown widow of John de Clinton of Coleshill who died in 1316.

"He [John Clinton] married, probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'Odingsells, 1st daughter of William d'Odingsells, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2." [Complete Peerage III:12-13]

Douglas Richardson in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2001, adds a first husband for Ida:

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Ida de Odingsells's Herdeburgh and Clinton Marriages: Further Evidence
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-09-27 08:31:32 PST

Dear Newsgroup:

Two days ago I announced the discovery that Ida de Odingsells, a descendant of King Henry II, married (lst) Roger de Herdeburgh (died c. 1284), by whom she had a daughter, Ela de Herdeburgh, who left many descendants. Previously Ida was only known to have had a marriage about 1290 to John de Clinton, 1st Lord Clinton (died c. 1310). Following my post, Rosie Bevan kindly provided a citation which confirmed that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was in fact named Ida.

Since my first post, I've located an informative article on the Herdeburgh family which appeared in Norfolk Archaeology, 30 (1952): 19-25. That article cites two documents, one dated 1284, the other 1286, which establish beyond doubt that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was named Ida and that Ida, as Roger's widow, held the manor of Prilleston, Norfolk (a Herdeburgh manor) following his death. The article further states that Prilleston was eventually conveyed by Ida de Herdeburgh's heirs to her grandson, Walter de Hopton, Knt. This confirms that that Prilleston stayed in the family past Ida's death about 1328.

As for other evidence that widow Ida de Herdeburgh married John de Clinton, I found elsewhere that Prilleston, Norfolk was held in 1316 by "Idonia de Clynton" [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 478]. Idonia de Clynton can be none other than Ida de Clinton, then a widow for the second time.

Best always,
Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah