Margaret d'Avranches

Notes:

The ODNB calls her "Matilda, daughter of Richard, vicomte of the Avranchin."

Family/Spouse: Ranulph de Briquessart. Ranulph (son of Ranulph and (Unknown daughter of Richard III of Normandy)) was born about 1045; died after 1089. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Robert de Trevers. Robert was born in of Trévières, Calvados, Normandy, France; died in 1135 in Burgh-by-Sands, Carlisle, Cumberland, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Jan 1129
• Alternate death: 17 Jan 1129
• Alternate death: 27 Jan 1129

Notes:

Also called Randle; Ranulf de Briquessart; de Bricasard; Ranulf du Bessin; Ranulf of Chester.

Earl of Chester. Vicomte of Bayeux. Commander of the royal forces in Normandy, 1124.

"Ranulph le Meschin, styled also, 'de Briquessart,' Vicomte de Bayeux in Normandy, s. and h. of Ranulph, Vicomte de Bayeux, by Margaret, sister of Hugh (d'Avranches), Earl of Chester abovenamed, being thus 1st cousin and h. to the last Earl (whom he suc. as Vicomte d'Avranches, &c., in Normandy), obtained, after the Earl's death in 1120, the grant of the county palatine of Chester, becoming thereby Earl of Chester. He appears thereupon to have surrendered the Lordship of the great district of Cumberland, which he had acquired, shortly before, from Henry I. In 1124 he was Commander of the Royal forces in Normandy. He m. Lucy, widow of Roger Fitz-Gerold (by whom she was mother of William de Roumare, afterwards Earl of Lincoln). He d. 17 or 27 Jan. 1129, and was bur. at St. Werburg's, Chester. The Countess Lucy confirmed, as his widow, the grant of the Manor of Spalding to the monks of that place." [Complete Peerage III:166, incorporating corrections from volume XIV.]

Ranulf married Lucy of Bolingbroke about 1098. Lucy was born in of Spalding, Lincolnshire, England; died about 1138. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Abt 1135

Notes:

"The most important member of a tightly knit family group was Ranulf's younger brother William le Meschin (d. 1129x35). William went on the first crusade, where he is mentioned, as 'William son of Ranulf le vicomte' at the siege of Nicaea in 1097 (Ordericus Vitalis, Eccl. hist., 5.59). In Cumbria William le Meschin was first given charge of Gilsland, which he failed to hold against the Scots, and then Egremont (the barony of Copeland). He built the castle at Egremont, and close by on the coast he founded the priory of St Bees, a further daughter house of St Mary's, York. William le Meschin married Cecily de Rumilly, the daughter of Robert de Rumilly and heir to the barony of Skipton in Craven, west Yorkshire, thus creating a substantial cross-Pennine estate. William and Cecily were the founders of the priory of Embsay, which later removed to Bolton in Wharfedale. In addition to the two baronies of Egremont and Skipton, William le Meschin acquired tenancies in several counties, the more significant held of his brother in Lincolnshire (where the Lindsey survey of 1115 - 18 provides detailed record) and in Cheshire. William remained closely linked with Ranulf, whom he survived by just a few years, dying before 1135. An elder son, Matthew, having predeceased him, William's heirs were successively his younger son, also called Ranulf le Meschin, and three sisters, Amice, Alice, and Matilda, who in the course of a total of seven marriages comprehensively dismembered the estate." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

"William le Meschin, Lord of Copeland, br. of Ranulph, 1st Earl of Chester, yr. s. of Rannulf, Vicomte of the Bessin, m. Cicely de Rumilly, Lady of Skipton, da. and h. of Robert de Rumelli, of Harewood and Skipton, co. York (see ped. of Lisle in vol. viii, between pp. 48 and 49), and had 3 daughters and coheirs. (1) Alice, Lady of Skipton, who m., 1stly, William fitz Duncan, s. of Duncan II, King of Scots. See Clay, Early Yorks Charters, vol. vii, pp. 9—10. They had one s., William, 'the Boy of Egremont', who d. in the King’s ward after 1155, leaving his 3 sisters his coheirs: (i) Cicely, as in the text; (ii) Amabel, Lady of Copeland (called in the Pipe Rolls and elsewhere, Comitissa de Couplanda, who m. Reynold de Lucy (see vol. iii, pp. 247-8, sub Lucy); (iii) Alice de Rumilly, Lady of Allerdale, who m., 1stly, Gilbert Pipard, Sheriff of cos. Gloucester and Hereford, and 2ndly, Robert de Courtenay, Sheriff of Cumberland and d. s.p. (see vol. ix, pp. 527-8, sub Pipard). Alice, Lady of Skipton, m. 2ndly, Alexander FitzGerold. (2) Avice, Lady of Harewood, who m., 1stly, William de Courcy III, 2ndly, William Paynell, of Drax, co. York, and 3rdly, William de Percy of Rougemont, in Harewood, co. York (see vol. x, p. 319, sub Paynel, and p. 439, sub Percy). (3) Maud, m. 1stly, Philip de Belmeis, of Tong, Salop., and 2ndly, Hugh de Mortimer, of Wigmore, co. Hereford (see vol. ix, p. 271, note sub Mortimer (of Wigmore), and vol. xii, part 2, pp. 930—1, sub Zouche.)" [Complete Peerage I:353, footnote (d), as thoroughly corrected in Volume XIV.]

Family/Spouse: Cecily de Rumilly. Cecily (daughter of Robert de Rumilly) was born in of Skipton, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Robert de Grandmesnil. Robert (son of Hugh de Grandmesnil and Adeliza de Beaumont) died about 1136. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Ranulf d'Engaine. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also called Adeliza la Meschin. "[Richard fitz Gilbert's] wife was rescued from the Welsh by Miles of Gloucester." [Complete Peerage]

Family/Spouse: Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare. Richard (son of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare and Alice de Clermont) was born about 1090 in Hertford, Hertfordshire, England; died on 15 Apr 1136 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales; was buried in 1136 in Chapter House, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Robert de Condet. Robert was born in of Thorngate Castle, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England; died about 1141. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1100
• Alternate birth: Abt 1105, Guernon Castle, Normandy, France
• Alternate death: 17 Dec 1153, Gresley, Derbyshire, England

Notes:

Also called Ranulf of Chester. Earl of Chester. Vicomte d'Avranches.

Of his death, Complete Peerage says "being supposed to have been poisoned by his wife and William Peverell, of Nottingham", but the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, while noting the claims that he died of poison, says nothing about his wife being involved.

"Most contemporary verdicts upon Ranulf were unfavourable. Although Orderic Vitalis acknowledged his resourcefulness and daring, the Gesta Stephani criticized ‘the cunning devices of his accustomed bad faith’ (Gesta Stephani, 192–3), and Henry of Huntingdon, through a speech supposedly by the royalist spokesman at the battle of Lincoln, called him ‘a man of reckless daring, ready for conspiracy...panting for the impossible’, prone to defeat or, at best, to Pyrrhic victories (Historia Anglorum, 734–5). Clearly, his strategy during the civil war was to take every opportunity to enhance his territorial position, especially in the north midlands, and such commitments as he made, either to the king or to the Angevins, were calculated to that end. Other magnates followed similar policies, but Ranulf (II) was exceptionally ruthless in pursuit of his ambitions, and accordingly he was hated by many and trusted by none." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

Ranulph married Matilda of Gloucester before 1135. Matilda (daughter of Robert of Gloucester and Mabel fitz Robert) died on 29 Jul 1189. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also called Avice de Meschin. Lady of Harewood.

Family/Spouse: William Paynell. William was born in of Hooton Pagnell, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Avice married William II de Courcy about 1125. William (son of William I de Courcy and Emma de Falaise) was born in of Stogursey, Williton, Somerset, England; died about 1130. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 6 Jul 1189

Family/Spouse: Hugh de Mortimer. Hugh (son of Hugh de Mortimer and (Unknown first wife of Hugh de Mortimer)) was born in of Wigmore, Herefordshire, England; died on 26 Feb 1181. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Maud married Philip de Belmeis before 1139. Philip (son of Walter de Belmeis) was born about 1106 in of Tong, Shropshire, England; died before 1154. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Lady of Skipton.

Alice married William Fitz Duncan before 1138. William (son of Duncan II Canmore, King of Scotland and Athelreda of Dunbar) died before 1154. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Eustachia. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Rohese married Robert fitz Robert before 1163. Robert (son of Robert fitz Fulk and Alice de St. Quintin) was born in of Ilkey, Yorkshire, England; died before 1175. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Aft 1115, of Clare, Herefordshire, England

Notes:

Also called Roger Fitz Richard. 2nd Earl of Hertford, but generally styled Earl of Clare.

Family/Spouse: Maud de St. Hilary. Maud (daughter of James de St. Hilary du Harcourt and Aveline) was born in of Field Dalling, Norfolk, England; died on 24 Dec 1193; was buried in Priory of Great Carbrooke, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1202

Notes:

Also called de Condy, de Cundi. Steward of Roger de Mowbray in 1174 or 1175. His wife, mother of Agnes de Condet, may have been named Basilia.

Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Hugh Bardolf. Hugh was born about 1120 in of Waddington, Lincolnshire, England; died about 1176. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 1147, Merionethshire, Wales

Notes:

Earl of Chester. Also known as Hugh le Meschin; Hugh de Meschines; Hugh of Kevelioc; Hugh de Cyveiliog.

1908 DNB entry on Hugh of Kevelioc:

[By Thomas Frederick Tout.]

HUGH (D. 1181) called HUGH of CYVEILIOG, palatine Earl of Chester, was the son of Ranulf II, Earl of Chester, and of his wife Matilda, daughter of Earl Robert of Gloucester, the illegitimate son of Henry I. He is sometimes called Hugh of Cyveiliog, because, according to a late writer, he was born in that district of Wales (Powel, Hist. of Cambria, p. 295). His father died on 16 Dec. 1153, whereupon, being probably still under age, he succeeded to his possessions on both sides of the Channel. These included the hereditary viscounties of Avranches and Bayeux. Hugh was present at the council of Clarendon in January 1164 which drew up the assize of Clarendon (Stubbs, Select Charters, p. 138). In 1171 he was in Normandy (Eyton, Itinerary of Henry II, p. 158).

Hugh joined the great feudal revolt against Henry II in 1173. Aided by Ralph of Fougeres, he utilised his great influence on the north-eastern marches of Brittany to excite the Bretons to revolt. Henry II despatched an army of Brabant mercenaries against them. The rebels were defeated in a battle, and on 20 Aug. were shut up in the castle of Dol, which they had captured by fraud not long before. On 23 Aug. Henry II arrived to conduct the siege in person (Hoveden, ii. 51). Hugh and his comrades had no provisions (Jordan Fantosme in Howlett, Chron. of Stephen, Henry II, and Richard I, iii. 221). They were therefore forced to surrender on 26 Aug. on a promise that their lives and limbs would be saved (W. Newburgh in Howlett, i. 176). Fourscore knights surrendered with them (Diceto, i. 378). Hugh was treated very leniently by Henry, and was confined at Falaise, whither the Earl and Countess of Leicester were also soon brought as prisoners. When Henry II returned to England, he took the two earls with him. They were conveyed from Barfleur to Southampton on 8 July 1174. Hugh was probably afterwards imprisoned at Devizes (Eyton, p. 180). On 8 Aug., however, he was taken back from Portsmouth to Barfleur, when Henry II went back to Normandy. He was now imprisoned at Caen, whence he was removed to Falaise. He was admitted to terms with Henry before the general peace, and witnessed the peace of Falaise on 11 Oct. (Fœdera, i. 31).

Hugh seems to have remained some time longer without complete restoration. At last, at the council of Northampton on 13 Jan. 1177, he received grant of the lands on both sides of the sea which he had held fifteen days before the war broke out (Benedictus, i. 135; Hoveden, ii. 118). In March he witnessed the Spanish award. In May, at the council at Windsor, Henry II restored him his castles, and required him to go to Ireland, along with William Fitzaldhelm and others, to prepare the way for the king's son John (Benedictus, i. 161). But no great grants of Irish land were conferred on him, and he took no prominent part, in the Irish campaigns. He died at Leek in Staffordshire on 30 June 1181 (ib. i. 277; Monasticon, iii. 218; Ormerod, Cheshire, i. 29). He was buried next his father on the south side of the chapter-house of St. Werburgh's, Chester, now the cathedral.

Hugh's liberality to the church was not so great as that of his predecessors. He granted some lands in Wirral to St. Werburgh's, and four charters of his, to Stanlaw, St. Mary's, Coventry, the nuns of Bullington and Greenfield, are printed by Ormerod (i. 27). He also confirmed his mother's grants to her foundation of Austin Canons at Calke, Derbyshire, and those of his father to his convent of the Benedictine nuns of St. Mary's, Chester (Monasticon, vi. 598, iv. 314). In 1171 he had confirmed the grants of Ranulf to the abbey of St. Stephen's in the diocese of Bayeux (Eyton, p. 158). More substantial were his grants of Bettesford Church to Trentham Priory, and of Combe in Gloucestershire to the abbey of Bordesley, Warwickshire (Monasticon, vi. 397, v. 407).

Hugh married before 1171 Bertrada, the daughter of Simon III, surnamed the Bald, count of Evreux and Montfort. He was therefore brother-in-law to Simon of Montfort., the conqueror of the Albigenses, and uncle of the Earl of Leicester. His only legitimate son, Ranulf III, succeeded him as Earl of Chester [see Blundevill, Randulf de]. He also left four daughters by his wife, who became, on their brother's death, co-heiresses of the Chester earldom. They were: (1) Maud, who married David, earl of Huntingdon, and became the mother of John the Scot, earl of Chester from 1232 to 1237, on whose death the line of Hugh of Avranches became extinct; (2) Mabel, who married William of Albini, earl of Arundel (d. 1221); (3) Agnes, the wife of William, earl Ferrers of Derby; and (4) Hawise, who married Robert de Quincy, son of Saer de Quincy, earl of Winchester. Hugh was also the father of several bastards, including Pagan, lord of Milton; Roger; Amice, who married Ralph Mainwaring, justice of Chester; and another daughter who married R. Bacon, the founder of Roucester (Ormerod, i. 28). A great controversy was carried on between Sir Peter Leycester and Sir Thomas Mainwaring, Amice's reputed descendant, as to whether that lady was legitimate or not. Fifteen pamphlets and small treatises on the subject, published between 1673 and 1679, were reprinted in the publications of the Chetham Society, vols. lxxiii. lxxix. and lxxx. Mainwaring was the champion of her legitimacy, which Leycester had denied in his 'Historical Antiquities.' Dugdale believed that Amice was the daughter of a former wife of Hugh, of whose existence, however, there is no record. A fine seal of Earl Hugh's is engraved in Ormerod's 'Cheshire,' i. 32.

[Benedictus Abbas and Roger de Hoveden (both ed. Stubbs in Rolls Ser.); Howlett's Chronicles of Stephen, Henry II, and Richard I (Rolls Ser.); Eyton's Itinerary of Hen. II; Ormerod's Cheshire, i. 26-32; Dugdale's Baronage, i. 40-1; Dugdale's Monasticon, ed. Ellis, Caley, and Bandinel; Doyle's Official Baronage, i. 364; Beamont's introduction to the Amicia Tracts, Chetham Soc.]

[DNB, Editor, Sidney Lee, Macmillan Co., London & Smith, Elder & Co., NY, 1908, vol. x, pp. 164-5]

Family/Spouse: (Unknown first wife of Hugh of Chester). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: (Unknown mistress of Hugh of Chester). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Hugh married Bertrade de Montfort in 1169. Bertrade (daughter of Simon de Montfort and Maud) was born about 1155; died after 31 Mar 1227. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Alice married Robert de Gant before 10 Aug 1152. Robert (son of Walter de Gant and Maud of Brittany) was born in of Folkingham, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England; died in 1191; was buried in Vaudey Abbey, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Or de Curcy.

Family/Spouse: Gundred de Warenne. Gundred (daughter of Reynold de Warenne and Alice de Wormegay) died before 9 May 1225. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Some sources (including Leo van de Pas) say that this Roger de Mortimer was married twice, once to a Millicent de Ferrers, parentage unknown, and once to Isabel de Ferrers, daughter of Walkelin de Ferrers. In this model, Ralph is a son of Isabel whereas Joan is a daughter of Millicent. We have been unable to find a plausible source for any of this. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Complete Peerage, Ancestral Roots, etc., all show this Roger de Mortimer married only once, to Isabel.

"He was a benefactor of Gloucester Abbey, of Kington, St. Michael, Wilts, of Cwmhir, of Jumièges, and of Saint-Victor-en-Caux. Between 1182 and 1189 he attested at Rouen a charter of Henry II to the monks of Barbey (diocese of Bayeux). In 1191, upon a charge of conspiring with the Welsh against the King, he was forced to surrender his castles and to abjure the country for three years. In April 1194 he was in England again, and witnessed a charter of Richard I, after his second Coronation at Winchester. Roger was a strenuous Lord Marcher, and in 1195 drove the sons of Cadwallon out of Maelienydd, and restored Cwmaron Castle; but next year Rhys, Prince of South Wales, defeated a well-equipped force of cavalry and foot under Mortimer and Hugh de Say, of Richard's Castle, with much slaughter, near Radnor. He was one of the magnates who refused to serve personally in France in 1201, but his fine was remitted. On 1 April 1207 he witnessed a charter of the King at Montfort-sur-Risle, and he appears to have been with John at Bonport in July following. On the loss of Normandy in 1204 Roger adhered to John and forfeited his Norman lands. In 1205 he landed at Dieppe, and being captured by John de Rouvray, bailiff of Caux, was compelled to pay a ransom of 1,000 marks. He was in England again by June 1207, when he was directed to hand Knighton Castle to the custody of a successor; in that year his wife Isabel had a grant of Oakham for life. In 1210 some of his knights served in the King's invasion of Ireland. In 1212 he proffered 3,000 marks for the marriage of the heir of Walter de Beauchamp, to whom he married his daughter Joan. In May 1213 he was one of the sponsors for John's good faith in his reconciliation with Archbishop Langton at the command of the Pope." [Complete Peerage]

"To the Wigmore chronicler Roger (II) de Mortimer was 'as befitted his years, gay, full of youth and inconstant of heart, and especially somewhat headstrong'. He had served Henry II faithfully during the rebellion of the king's sons in 1173–4, but at the time of his father's death he was in King Henry's prison, because in 1179 his men had killed Cadwallon ap Madog, the ruler of Maelienydd, when the latter was returning from court with a royal safe conduct. He may not have been released until 1182. Roger's conflicts with the Welsh would persist throughout his life, as he struggled to establish his rule over the middle march of Wales. In 1195 he brought Maelienydd under his control, rebuilding the castle at Cymaron. A grant to the abbey of Cwm-hir in Powys in 1199, commemorating 'our men who died in the conquest of Maelienydd', points to casualties as well as achievement (in 1196 his forces were among those heavily defeated at Radnor by the Lord Rhys of Deheubarth), but in 1202 he could be described as supreme in central Wales. [...] In 1191 he was accused by William de Longchamp, the justiciar, of having entered into an unexplained conspiracy with the Welsh against the king, and was forced to abjure the realm, though his exile was much shorter than the three years reported by Richard of Devizes. It is possible that he had become a supporter of Count John, Richard I's brother. But if this was so, he soon transferred his allegiance back to the king, for it was with royal support that he attacked Maelienydd in 1195. However, he later served in Normandy under John as king, and in 1205 was captured when trying to occupy Dieppe, subsequently paying a ransom of 1000 marks. Roger de Mortimer remained loyal to John for the rest of his life. [...] Being overcome by ill health, he transferred his lands to his son, and by 19 August 1214 he was dead. He was buried at Wigmore Abbey. He had at first been on bad terms with the canons, and tried to revoke grants made to them by his father, until the solemnity with which they commemorated Hugh's anniversary reconciled him to them." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

Family/Spouse: Isabel de Ferrers. Isabel (daughter of Walkelin de Ferrers) died before 29 Apr 1252; was buried in Hospital of St. John the Baptist, Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also called Alix de Beaumez.

Family/Spouse: Alan la Zouche. Alan (son of Geoffrey de Porhoët and Hawise Fergant) was born in of North Molton, Devon, England; died in 1190. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Lady of Copeland.

Amabel married Reynold de Lucy before 1162. Reynold (son of Richard de Lucy and Rohese de Boulogne) died about Jan 1199. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Called "Petronilla" in many sources.

Royal Ancestry gives her as the "daughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil of Hinckley, Leicestershire."

Complete Peerage says "[Robert, Earl of Leicester (d. 1190)] m., before 1155-1159, Pernel (Petronilla), heiress of the Norman honour of Grandmesnil, great-granddaughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil, the Domesday tenant, but her ancestry has not been discovered. (h)
"Note (h):
"Hugh de Grandmesnil, the Domesday tenant, had five sons -- Robert, William, Hugh, Ives and Aubrey ... Robert, the eldest son, inherited the Norman lands which are later found in Robert FitzPernel's hands [i.e. Robert, Earl of Leicester (d. 1204), the son of Pernel]. He m., 1stly, Agnes, da. of Ranulph de Bayeux; 2ndly, Emma, da. of Robert d'Estouteville; and, 3rdly, Lucy, da. of Savary FitzCana (Orderic, vol. iii, p. 359). ... if she [Pernel] inherited the Norman lands she would in all probability be a daughter of a son of Hugh's son Robert. Hugh's father and son are both called Robert, and if this alternating nomenclature -- a very usual system -- was continued, a son of Robert the younger would be named Hugh. This is the name given to Pernel's father in the foundation narrative of Leicester Abbey, and although the story told there is fictitious ... it is possible that the writer may have had before him a document such as a list of obits giving the authentic name. It is not claimed that this suggested descent is more than speculative."

Chris Phillips, in his Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage, Volume 7: Leicester, says "In fact, Pernel's father was called William, as shown by a charter for St-Evroult discovered by David Crouch [The Beaumont Twins, p.91, citing the Cartulary of St-Evroult, ii, fo 33v]. However, the argument that her grandfather is likely to have been Robert, the eldest son of Hugh de Grandmesnil, still seems sound. To some extent it is supported by the following evidence.

"In 1157, Henry II confirmed gifts made to the hospital of Falaise by William de Grentmesnil and others [Cal. Docs France, no 1157]. By an undated charter (perhaps from 1160 or later), one Beatrix de Rye gave land to the abbey of St Jean of Falaise, for the well-being of her mother Emma and of her brother William de Grentemesnil [Lechaude d'Anisy, Extrait des Chartes ... dans les archives du Calvados, vol.1, p.232, no 9 (1834)]. It seems likely that this Beatrix was a daughter of Robert de Grandmesnil by his second wife, Emma d'Estouteville, particularly as the name Beatrix occurs in the Estouteville family, and was possibly borne by Emma's mother [C.T. Clay, ed., Early Yorkshire Charters, vol.9, p.2 (1952)]. If so, this would confirm that Robert also had a son William, who would probably be Pernel's father.

"Note that K.S.B. Keats-Rohan [Domesday People I, p. 263 (1999)] states that Pernel's father William was the son of Robert by Emma d'Estouteville, but no evidence is cited for the relationship."

Pernel married Robert de Breteuil in 1155. Robert (son of Robert of Meulan and Amice de Gael) was born in of Leicester, Leicestershire, England; died in 1190; was buried in Durazzo, Greece. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]