Robert de Vipont

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1235
• Alternate birth: 1239
• Alternate death: Abt 7 Jun 1264
• Alternate death: Bef 5 Jul 1264

Notes:

Heriditary sheriff of Westmorland. Died of wounds sustained at the battle of Lewes.

Robert married Isabel fitz John after 19 Nov 1242. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1251
• Alternate birth: 1254
• Alternate death: Bef 14 May 1292
• Alternate death: 14 May 1292

Isabel married Roger de Clifford after 28 Jun 1265. Roger (son of Roger de Clifford and Maud) was born about 1242 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 6 Nov 1282 in Moel-y-Don, Wales; was buried in Llanfaes Friary, Beaumaris, Gwynedd, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 14 Apr 1274
• Alternate birth: Abt 5 Apr 1276, of Appleby, Westmorland, England

Notes:

Served in Edward I's wars in Scotland. On the death of his mother, he succeeded to the hereditary shrievalty of Westmorland. Justice in Eyre North of Trent 1297-1307. Governor of Nottingham Castle, July 1298. Summoned to Parliament 29 Dec 1299 to 26 Nov 1313 by writs directed Roberto de Clifford. Signed the 1301 Barons' Letter to Pope Boniface VIII as Robertus de Clifford Castellanus de Appelby. By Edward II he was made, for a few months in 1308, Marshal of England; Justice South of Trent 1307-8; Warden of the Scottish Marches 1308. Pardoned 16 Oct 1313 for participation in the death of Piers Gaveston. Killed at the Battle of Bannockburn.

Robert married Maud de Clare on 13 Nov 1295. Maud (daughter of Thomas de Clare and Juliane fitz Maurice) died on 1 Feb 1325. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1303, Clifford Castle, Herefordshire, England

Notes:

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 11:11:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Looking for primary source documents on Idonia [Imania] de Clifford
Reply-To: Douglas Richardson

Dear Steve ~

The correct name of Henry de Percy's wife is Idoine de Clifford. "Idonia" or "Idonea" are the Latin forms of her name and should be avoided.

The parentage of Idoine de Clifford is hardly elusive as you imagine. There are no less than five separate visitations/medieval sources which name Idoine, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, as a Clifford, or the daughter of Lord Clifford:

1. Archaeologia Aeliana 3 (1844): 40 (Chronicles of Alnwick Abbey: "Iste Henricus disponsavit idoneam filiam Domini de Clyfford et genuit ex ea Anno Domini 1320 Henricum quartum et tertium Dominum de Alnewyk et alios plures filios et filias inter quos erat Thomas qui postea fuit Episcopus Norwicens ...").

2. Atkinson, Cartularium Abbathiæ de Whiteby 2 (Surtees Soc. 72) (1881): 690-696 (Percy ped.: "The fourth Henry Lord Percy ... gat on Idonea Clyfford Henry, William, Richard, Maude, Alianour Fitzwater, Roger, and Margarett that was maried to the Erle of Angus Sonne and his heire.").

3. Flower, Vis. of Yorkshire 1563-4 (H.S.P. 16) (1881): 241-244 (Percy ped.: "Henry 4 Lord Percy. = Ida doughter of the Lord Clyfford.").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

books.google.com/books?id=pjMEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA242

4. Harvey et al., Vis. of the North 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 18-20 (Percy ped.: "Henricus Percy = Idonea Clifforde").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees144text.pdf

5. Harvey et al., Vis. of the North 4 (Surtees Soc. 146) (1932): 17-24 (Lassels ped.: "Idonæ [Clifford] mar: to Henry lord Percy").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees146text.pdf

Given that we know that Sir Henry Percy was born in 1300 or 1301, and given that Henry's son and heir, also named Henry, was born about
1322-5, the birth of Idoine de Clifford would necessarily have to fall about 1300-1310. Given the chronology, Idoine de Clifford can be placed as a daughter of Robert de Clifford (died 1314), 1st Lord Clifford, and his wife, Maud de Clare, which Robert and Maud were married in 1295. Idoine de Clifford was surely named for her father's maternal aunt, Idoine de Vipont (died 1333), wife of Roger de Leybourne, Knt., and John de Cromwell, Knt., Lord Cromwell.

For interesting references to Idoine, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, see the following weblinks:

books.google.com/books?id=1MUwhOPhfKcC&pg=PA116&dq=Idoine+Percy

books.google.com/books?lr=&id=8AMhAAAAMAAJ&dq=Idoine+Percy&q=Idoine&pgis=1#search_anchor

books.google.com/books?id=RzUdAAAAIAAJ&q=Idoine+Percy&dq=Idoine+Percy&lr=&pgis=1

books.google.com/books?id=cu8i2yausLcC&pg=PA124&dq=Idoine+Percy&lr=

The tomb at Beverley Minster, Yorkshire which is now attributed to Idoine de Clifford, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, bears shields with various coats of arms, among them Clifford.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:15:21 AM UTC-7, The Hoorn wrote:

So far, I have been unsuccessful in locating any primary or contemporaneous records, documenting the parentage of Idonia [Imania] de Clifford, as the daughter of Lord Robert Clifford (killed in battle Bannockburn 24 Jun 1314) and Matilda de Clare. Idonia was also the wife of Sir Henry Percy (1301-1352).

I would sincerely welcome any assistance.

Thanks!

Idoine married Henry de Percy about 1318. Henry (son of Henry de Percy and Eleanor de Arundel) was born in 1299; died on 26 Feb 1352 in Warkworth, Northumberland, England; was buried in Alnwick, Northumberland, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Margaret married Peter de Mauley before 16 Apr 1322. Peter (son of Peter de Mauley and Eleanor de Furnival) was born about 1300 in of Mulgrave, Yorkshire, England; died on 18 Jan 1355. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Hereditary sheriff of Westmorland.

Robert married Isabel de Berkeley in Jun 1328 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England. Isabel (daughter of Maurice de Berkeley and Eve la Zouche) died on 25 Jul 1362. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]