Margery de Bohun

Notes:

She has long been widely held to be a daughter of the Humphrey de Bohun who died in 1265, in the lifetime of his father, and who as a result never held the earlship of Hereford possessed by both his father and his son.

In a 2 Dec 2020 post to soc.genealogy.medieval, Peter Stewart argued that she may instead have been a daughter of that Humphrey's father, the Humphrey de Bohun who d. 1275, by his second wife, Maud of Avenbury.

In a 3 Dec 2020 post, Douglas Richardson defended her placement as a daughter of the Humphrey de Bohun who d.s.p. in 1265.

In subsequent posts in the thread, Peter Stewart defended his position, in particular making the point that if this Margery de Bohun had been a daughter of Humphrey de Bohun who d. 1265 and his (only) wife Eleanor de Briouze, her son Thebaud de Verdun's 1302 marriage to his first wife Maud de Mortimer, which produced issue, would have been a marriage of second cousins, both of them being great-grandchildren of William de Briouze and Eve Marshal.

No record exists of a dispensation for this Verdun-Mortimer marriage in the 4-volume published records of the pope of that time, Boniface VIII. Stewart pointed out that Boniface is known to have believed that dispensations from consanguinity rules should only be given for reasons such as the general good of the realm, and that the Verduns and Mortimers were "not in a league where this sort of reason could be proposed." As Stewart pointed out, "Defiance of canon law was not undertaken lightly in that era. The upside of trying, at the Verdun-Mortimer stratum of rank and power anyway, was hardly worth the very foreseeable downside."

This, combined with the chronological problems which are resolved by placing this Margary as a daughter of the older Humphrey de Bohun by his second wife, convinces us that this is likelier to be the correct solution.

Margery married Thebaud de Verdun before 6 Nov 1276. Thebaud (son of John de Verdun and Margaret de Lacy) was born about 1248 in of Alton, Staffordshire, England; died on 24 Aug 1309 in Alton, Staffordshire, England; was buried in Croxden Abbey, Staffordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Fought at Falkirk. Justiciar of Ireland, 30 Apr 1313 - Jan 1315. He was summoned to Parliament by writs from 29 Dec 1299 to 16 Oct 1315.

Thebaud married Maud de Mortimer on 29 Jul 1302 in Wigmore, Herefordshire, England. Maud (daughter of Edmund de Mortimer and Margaret de Fiennes) died on 17 Sep 1312 in Alton, Staffordshire, England; was buried in Croxden Abbey, Staffordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Thebaud married Elizabeth de Clare on 4 Feb 1316 in near Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. Elizabeth (daughter of Gilbert de Clare and Joan of Acre) was born in Nov 1295 in Caerphilly, Glamorgan, Wales; died on 4 Nov 1360. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 11 Aug 1303, Wootton in Stanton Lacy, Shropshire, England

Joan married Thomas de Furnival on 24 Feb 1318. Thomas (son of Thomas de Furnival and Joan le Despenser) was born about 1292 in of Sheffield, Yorkshire, England; died on 5 Oct 1339; was buried in Beauchief Abbey, Derbyshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Elizabeth married Bartholomew de Burghersh before 11 Jun 1320. Bartholomew (son of Robert de Burghersh and Maud de Badlesmere) was born about 1304 in of Burghersh, Sussex, England; died on 3 Aug 1355 in Dover, Kent, England; was buried in Lincoln Cathedral, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Given the date of her death and her relative youth at the time, it's likely that she died of the plague.

Isabel married Henry de Ferrers before 20 Feb 1331. Henry (son of William de Ferrers and (Unknown) de Segrave) was born about 1303; died on 15 Sep 1343 in Groby in Ratby, Leicestershire, England; was buried in Ulverscroft Priory, Leicestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Maud married Walter de Montgomery before 1364. Walter (son of William de Montgomery and Philippa) was born about 1314 in of Cubley, Derbyshire, England; died before 29 Sep 1374. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Summoned to Parliament by writs dated 20 Jan 1366 to 7 Jan 1383.

William married Thomasine between 1363 and 20 Jan 1366. Thomasine died on 20 Jul 1409. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1323, of Ewyas Lacy, Herefordshire, England

Notes:

Steward and Constable of Wallingford and St. Valery. Justiciar of Chester. One of the most distinguished warriors of his age.

From Wikipedia:

His recorded career begins in 1339, when he accompanied Edward III in his expedition to Flanders and took part in the first invasion of French territory. We find his name also as attending the king on his third inglorious and unprofitable campaign in Brittany in 1342-3. In 1346, he was one of the retinue of Edward the Black Prince, then in his fifteenth year, in the Battle of Crécy, and in the following year was present at the siege of Calais, being rewarded for his distinguished services there by a rich wardship. In 1349, he was in the campaign in Gascony.

On the institution of the Order of the Garter in 1350, he was chosen to be one of the first knights companions. In 1354, he fulfilled a religious vow by taking a journey to the Holy Land.

On his return home he joined the Black Prince in the expedition, in 1355. He was one of the most eminent of the commanders of the invading army, and had a leading share in the events of the campaign, especially in the battle of Poitiers, 19 September 1356. A daring exploit of Burghersh is recorded by Froissart shortly before the battle. In company with Sir John Chandos and Sir James Audley, and attended by only four-and-twenty horsemen, he made an excursion from the main body of the army, and, falling on the rear of the French army, took thirty-two knights and gentlemen prisoners. His prowess and skill were again tried about the same time, when, on his return with a small foraging party at Romorantin near Berry, he was attacked from an ambuscade by a much more formidable force, which, however, he managed to keep at bay till relieved by the Black Prince. During this campaign his father, Lord Burghersh, died, and he received livery of his lands as his heir.

In 1359, he again accompanied Edward III on his last and most formidable invasion of France, ending in the decisive treaty of Bretigny, 8 May 1360. He was deputed to aid in the negotiation of this treaty between 'the firstborn sons of the kings of England and France' at Chartres, for which letters of protection were given him. He and his brother commissioners were taken prisoners in violation of the bond, and Edward had to interpose to obtain their liberation. During this campaign Knighton records his successful siege of the castle of Sourmussy in Gascony, in which he appears to have evidenced no common skill.

In 1362, he was appointed one of the commissioners on the state of Ireland. When, in 1364, King John II of France, to make atonement for the Louis I, Duke of Anjou's breach of faith, determined to yield himself back to captivity, to die three months alter his Landing at the Savoy Palace, Burghersh was one of the nobles deputed to receive him at Dover and conduct him by Canterbury to Edward's presence at Eltham. In 1366 he was one of the commissioners sent to Urban V, who had rashly demanded the payment of the arrears of the tribute granted by King John.

Bartholomew married Cecily de Weyland before 10 May 1335. Cecily (daughter of Richard de Weyland and Joan de Ufford) was born about 10 Oct 1318; died after 2 Aug 1354. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

He was summoned to Parliament by writs dated 15 Mar 1354 to 6 Apr 1369. He accompanied the Prince of Wales to Gascony in 1355, and was at the battle of Poitiers in 1356.

William married Margaret de Ufford before 25 Apr 1344. Margaret (daughter of Robert de Ufford and Margaret de Norwich) died before 1368. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]